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David Chapman
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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      Um, well, I’ll try. First a disclaimer: I’m not the slightest bit expert on Plato; I know him mostly only from second sources. And I mostly I read those a long time ago and may misremember them. But maybe what matters is not what Plato thought, but what is actually the case…

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      My dim recollection is that Plato’s Forms/Ideals were not meant to be understood as functions. That came in more with Aristotle? For Plato, a cup is a cup because it has cupness, not because it holds wine.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      If a non-cup holds wine, and you use it as a cup, it’s not a cup, and you are probably a pervert. My friend Beth Preston did a lot of work to sort this out: https://amzn.to/2GdQve2 

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      For Aristotle, functions inhered in objects; i.e. the function of holding wine is an essential property of a cup. And, as you suggest, that function is eternal in the abstract, although its instantiations in particular cups is impermanent.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      But, (imo) this function does not inhere in the cup. It is an interaction among the cup, the wine, and the drinker.

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      If all humans die next week as a consequence of the Anthrax Leprosy Mu epidemic, former cups will no longer function as cups. Arguably, they will no longer *be* cups; they’ll just be random blobs of silicon-aluminum oxide.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      So, the function of a cup is not eternal; once we’re extinct, it’ll return to the Dharmakaya, as all phenomena do.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      Also, the emptiness of a cup is only a matter of imputation. There are air molecules in it, and other tiny bits of stuff, so it is not absolutely empty. Relative emptiness of this sort is not the same thing as śunyata; only a heuristically useful analog for it.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      If śunyata is absence of essential nature, and all things are empty in this sense, then Plato’s theory of ideas is utterly wrong. Because the theory was that everything has an eternal, essential nature.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      In fact, it’s historically plausible that Nagarjuna was specifically refuting Platonism. Around that time, there was a lot more dialog between Greek and Indian philosophy than most people realize.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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      In any case, Diogenes’ criticism of Platonic eternalism seems at least somewhat analogous to Nagarjuna’s criticism of Brahmanic eternalism: no eternal, essential nature. But it’s probably just a coincidence that he also used the word “emptiness.”

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 6 Feb 2019
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          What I liked in your response was that you grabbed this intriguing coincidence and ran with it!

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        3. Toward the Suprahuman Mind  📚 💻 🌠‏ @SuprahumanMind 7 Feb 2019
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          I really appreciate having had this opportunity to exchange ideas with you.

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