✚ Śunyata darśana: Diogenes enlightens Plato on the essential nature of emptinesspic.twitter.com/CvaOgwJjTw
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✚ Śunyata darśana: Diogenes enlightens Plato on the essential nature of emptinesspic.twitter.com/CvaOgwJjTw
Here's why I actually stand by Plato: the 'cupness' - is the purpose or function of the cup Śunyata refers to the tenet that all things are empty of permanent existence and nature. The physical cup is certainly not permanent, but the same cannot be said about its function.
In fact, the utility of the cup depends not on its physical form but on its empty hollowness. That is, emptiness is where its function lies.
This is a really interesting take! I don’t think I quite agree, but… probably twitter isn’t the best place to argue metaphysics :)
I would greatly appreciate hearing your thoughts on this.
Um, well, I’ll try. First a disclaimer: I’m not the slightest bit expert on Plato; I know him mostly only from second sources. And I mostly I read those a long time ago and may misremember them. But maybe what matters is not what Plato thought, but what is actually the case…
My dim recollection is that Plato’s Forms/Ideals were not meant to be understood as functions. That came in more with Aristotle? For Plato, a cup is a cup because it has cupness, not because it holds wine.
If a non-cup holds wine, and you use it as a cup, it’s not a cup, and you are probably a pervert. My friend Beth Preston did a lot of work to sort this out: https://amzn.to/2GdQve2
For Aristotle, functions inhered in objects; i.e. the function of holding wine is an essential property of a cup. And, as you suggest, that function is eternal in the abstract, although its instantiations in particular cups is impermanent.
But, (imo) this function does not inhere in the cup. It is an interaction among the cup, the wine, and the drinker.
If all humans die next week as a consequence of the Anthrax Leprosy Mu epidemic, former cups will no longer function as cups. Arguably, they will no longer *be* cups; they’ll just be random blobs of silicon-aluminum oxide.
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