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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 23 Jan 2019
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      These kinds of cognitive difficulties occur after injury to orbitofrontal areas. People still understand morality but don’t seem to care emotionally. These deficits lead to aggression and/or inappropriate sexual behaviour. Anticipation and empathy seem critical to morality

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    2. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 23 Jan 2019
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      Thus, any system that emphasises the development of anticipation of consequences and empathy or compassion should help with ethical development. Without this foundation the “higher” ethics of actions being right or wrong doesn’t seem to matter, at least to orbitofrontal patients

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    3. 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚‏ @Jayarava 23 Jan 2019
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      Well sure. People are moral for blah blah. But what has this to do with *karma*? This is all modern progressive thinking. Why call it "karma" when it is not karma?

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    4. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 24 Jan 2019
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      Yes, I concede your point. If we reformulate as Karma = Behaviour and Vipaka = Consequences, then there is the whole behavioural psychology literature, in which consequences are neither magical nor consistent. This is more helpful than a “cosmic justice” view of Kamma-Vipaka

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    5. 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚‏ @Jayarava 24 Jan 2019
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      You haven't yet concede my main point, which is that if you reformulate karma then it is *not karma*. What you are advocating is called "behavioural psychology". Calling it "karma" is simply a mistake.

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    6. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 24 Jan 2019
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      Yes, but we need to be careful not to slip into thinking that there are never consequences for behaviour (I’m sure you wouldn’t do this but some might reach that extreme conclusion). We could ditch “cosmic justice” karma and replace with behaviour psychology.

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    7. 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚‏ @Jayarava 24 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @TomMostlyZen @d_m_hart @Meaningness

      Let me restate: I am *not* arguing against ethics or morality. Nor is David.

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    8. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 24 Jan 2019
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      Sure, I understand neither of you are arguing against ethics or morality generally, but you’ve both said that Buddhism has no ethics. I’d argue that it has flawed, medieval ethics, and a philosophical model that is not completely consistent. I’d rather reformulate than reject

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    9. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 24 Jan 2019
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      I think I’m mostly in agreement with what you are expressing, but I’ve only read a few of your articles and one of David’s. I’m just unsure what the next helpful step is if we abandon or reject parts of a system that I agree are flawed?

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 24 Jan 2019
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      I think the most helpful move is probably to get our ethics elsewhere and stop pretending they have anything to do with Buddhism. That said, later in the series I do suggest tentative directions toward a genuinely Buddhist contemporary ethics. Unsure if that’s possible.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 24 Jan 2019
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      Replying to @Meaningness @TomMostlyZen and

      The overall arc of the series is from negative historical critique to positive future possibilities. Outline here:https://vividness.live/2015/09/23/buddhist-ethics-is-a-fraud/#summary …

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        1. Tom Zimbardo‏ @TomMostlyZen 24 Jan 2019
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          Thank you, I will read this tonight

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