These kinds of cognitive difficulties occur after injury to orbitofrontal areas. People still understand morality but don’t seem to care emotionally. These deficits lead to aggression and/or inappropriate sexual behaviour. Anticipation and empathy seem critical to morality
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Replying to @TomMostlyZen @d_m_hart and
Thus, any system that emphasises the development of anticipation of consequences and empathy or compassion should help with ethical development. Without this foundation the “higher” ethics of actions being right or wrong doesn’t seem to matter, at least to orbitofrontal patients
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Well sure. People are moral for blah blah. But what has this to do with *karma*? This is all modern progressive thinking. Why call it "karma" when it is not karma?
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Yes, I concede your point. If we reformulate as Karma = Behaviour and Vipaka = Consequences, then there is the whole behavioural psychology literature, in which consequences are neither magical nor consistent. This is more helpful than a “cosmic justice” view of Kamma-Vipaka
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You haven't yet concede my main point, which is that if you reformulate karma then it is *not karma*. What you are advocating is called "behavioural psychology". Calling it "karma" is simply a mistake.
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Yes, but we need to be careful not to slip into thinking that there are never consequences for behaviour (I’m sure you wouldn’t do this but some might reach that extreme conclusion). We could ditch “cosmic justice” karma and replace with behaviour psychology.
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Let me restate: I am *not* arguing against ethics or morality. Nor is David.
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Sure, I understand neither of you are arguing against ethics or morality generally, but you’ve both said that Buddhism has no ethics. I’d argue that it has flawed, medieval ethics, and a philosophical model that is not completely consistent. I’d rather reformulate than reject
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Replying to @TomMostlyZen @Jayarava and
I think I’m mostly in agreement with what you are expressing, but I’ve only read a few of your articles and one of David’s. I’m just unsure what the next helpful step is if we abandon or reject parts of a system that I agree are flawed?
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I think the most helpful move is probably to get our ethics elsewhere and stop pretending they have anything to do with Buddhism. That said, later in the series I do suggest tentative directions toward a genuinely Buddhist contemporary ethics. Unsure if that’s possible.
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The overall arc of the series is from negative historical critique to positive future possibilities. Outline here:https://vividness.live/2015/09/23/buddhist-ethics-is-a-fraud/#summary …
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Thank you, I will read this tonight
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