I'm not sure a sense of objectivity is a _good_thing, particularly when it doesn't seem to match the underlying universe. How many people have died at the feet of Right and Wrong?
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there is, I think, a middle way between eternalism (objectivity) & nihilism (arbitrary, absolute subjectivity) cc
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Replying to @wminshew @Meaningness
I appreciate the suggestion, truly, but this feels like a bit of a straw man to me.
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Replying to @asglidden @Meaningness
Ok perhaps I'm misunderstanding your original tweet. Can you elaborate?
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Well, I think the Eternalism vs Nihilism roughly points to my concern, but the characterization of Eternalism at least feels like it's not being made in good faith. Like, of course not *everything* has meaning, because meaning is fairly subjective, or at least individual...
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I think it correctly identifies a human need for the transcendental. My concern is that society seems to have lost that, and I'm concerned about how we can reintroduce it in an intellectually defensible way that isn't a mere shadow of the sensibility engendered by religion.
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Replying to @asglidden @Meaningness
I see. This is a difficult conversation to have on twitter! Lots of nuance. I personally don't think the argument is made in bad faith, and I think if you read more of his work that'll become apparent. The first link might not have been the best place to start, though.
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(He's quite prolific so it's difficult to intro people to his body of work, not knowing much about their background or how to order his writings reasonably well out of the massive jumble that is the incomplete meaningness ebook)
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At the very least I'm presenting his material in good faith. I don't know much about your background, but I can tell you a little about mine. I grew up in a very religious family and *everything* (I mean that literally) had meaning.
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Replying to @wminshew @Meaningness
I think it's presented in good faith, it just struck me as not passing the Ideological Turing Test.
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I’m missing some context, but if pursuing this is of interest, I can try to clarify.
I read the original tweets, via @sonyaellenmann, & agreed with the thrust so far as I understood it.
I’m an atheist, but believe a sense of the sacred is important—and not just instrumentally.
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Yes, that's exactly my position as well.
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Yes, which is why I brought his works into this conversation: I read meaningness as an attempt to do just this, and so thought you would find it interesting/useful
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