@KevinSimler re: "out there or in us?"– I like to riff off of @meaningness's point about rainbowshttps://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/863915605019250688 …
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Visakan Veerasamy Retweeted David Chapman
@KevinSimler re: "out there or in us?"– I like to riff off of @meaningness's point about rainbowshttps://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/863915605019250688 …
Visakan Veerasamy added,
Oh what a great passage! A coda I would add is that, once you have the full causal model of a rainbow, it becomes _much less interesting_ to ask how the labels “objective” and “subjective” apply to it.
Yes! And, generalizing, most arguments about whether something is subjective or objective are due to both words being poorly defined, and can be resolved by looking at the concrete specifics of the relationships involved.
Agree with the above! My only quibble is with the (joking?) phrase in the passage about rainbows being "guaranteed 100% metaphysics free."
If you mean "metaphysics" in the sense of "goofy section in the bookstore," then yes, of course. But there is also a rigorous sense of metaphysics that is all about describing exactly these issues.
Yes; that’s probably a helpful correction! It’s tricky because “metaphysics” is vague. Besides the holistic chakra balancing stuff, there’s a standard STEM dismissal of any uncomfortable conceptual discussion, taking metaphysics = bullshit.
More like conceptual discussion that they don't like = bullshit. But if it is about how everything is made of quarks, then you are good. It's not that they don't engage with metaphysics, it's that they assume a metaphysics and can't question it, so everything else is bullshit.
Yes, right, exactly! There’s a taken-for-granted default metaphysics, and anything that isn’t that is “philosophical bullshit.”
Although the default thing isn’t well-defined or worked-out; it’s roughly early 20th C positivism. The numerous reasons that can’t work are “philosophy.” “It HAS to work, because otherwise science itself wouldn’t work!” is “rationalism.” Which isn’t philosophy, it’s TRUE.
It's remarkable how many espouse "materialism" but have no coherent notion of what "matter" is, whether in terms of quantum field theory or anything else. They simply take for granted a Newtonian view of "matter" as an undefined primitive and hold this forth as "rational."
And, all the matter in the universe is tidily partioned into objects whose boundaries are objective and whose properties are fully determinate. Etc. Mostly no one would agree when asked, but the unthought STEM worldview implicitly depends on such assumptions.
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