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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      (therefore an integral-like 'subsumes *and* integrates') 4- therefore moral conflict/identifying what is right depends not on a rational battle but on historicist shift in traditions and lived life in communities

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    2.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      I'll say here that I thinks he gives a narrative of meta-rationality which, unlike most current analysis (of us who are 'in our heads') is embodied and not even in individual embodiment (which I assume you can connect to dzogchen?) but in community/traditional embodiment (ditto?)

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    3.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      And I'm losing my grasp on the next steps so will revert to my 'literally over-wrought' 1996 undergraduate theses: https://model.report/s/nwni2n/benjamin_taylor_-_does_alasdair_macintyre_identify_a_rationally_acceptable_system_of_ethics … where apparently the narrative goes: a) modern ethics is a cargo-cult world of reification of concepts devoid of context, therefore f meaning

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    4.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      b) once you understand that moral meaning arises from community, practices, tradition, what looks like interminable moral irresolvability becomes incommernsurability in the Kuhnian sense c) in a Kuhnian crisis, this incommensurability can break down in new meaning-making

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    5.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      d) (blurred recollection) contextualist epistemology and rationality within a tradition depend on the possibility of the creation of a coherent *narrative* (this becomes important later)

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    6.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      e) so there's an enacted version of historicism and moral/epistemic meaning which allows hermeutical meaning-making And then, erm, from being a young Scottish Marxist academic in Manchester... he ends up as an Aristotelian Thomist at Notre Dame University...

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    7.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      ...Tomism (i) being the most explicitly hermeneutical worldview (interpreting the Word of God, though, which introduces both realism and transcendence) and (ii) having won the paradigm-tradition battle (in his opinion).

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    8.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      Smart-arse me aged 20 or whatever saw this as the transition from one myth of history to another. I urge you not to read my thesis, but the quote to follow is potentially explanatory:

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      'rationality is nowhere to be found outside its embodiment in a tradition of enquiry within a larger social tradition. Traditions may communicate despite incommensurability, and prove their rational superiority by overcoming and explaining the problems of other traditions.'

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    10.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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      I understand that's prima facie directly contradictory to meta-rationality (and I'm hoping I've retained enough to be meaningful in some way), but I hope you see the connection?

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 29 Jul 2018
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      Yes, thank you, this is helpful! Also: I knew about After Virtue, but I see from the Wiki page you referenced that in subsequent books he developed his theory of rationality as inhering in traditions. This is potentially more directly relevant, and I have bookmarked accordingly!

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        2.  🕷BenjaminP.Taylor 🇪🇺‏ @antlerboy 29 Jul 2018
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          well, quite. That's probably what I should have said. I find your concept of meta-rationality (and the integral project as a whole) wildly exciting but highly intellectually-focused - embeddedness (which I've been calling enacted) is perhaps the critical part here.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 29 Jul 2018
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          Yup! That’s a big part of the story, in fact. I get it from Heidegger, Wittgenstein, ethnomethodology, etc. My 1986 version is here: https://meaningness.com/metablog/abstract-emergent …pic.twitter.com/CqPtMOdNVD

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