@Meaningness have you seen this paper? it's akin to ur eggplant. Hennig has other work you might like.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1508.05453.pdf …pic.twitter.com/jVqGnSQtah
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@Meaningness have you seen this paper? it's akin to ur eggplant. Hennig has other work you might like.
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1508.05453.pdf …pic.twitter.com/jVqGnSQtah
Wow, yes, thank you! In fact I was already drawing on Gelman’s work for the Eggplant book, but I did’t know this paper, and don’t know about Hennig’s work. I will read this one and then look for more!
It was a discussion paper with lots of discussion. The link above doesn't contain the discussants comments. They are here: http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/gelman_hennig_full_discussion.pdf … Also, this paper by Hennig is delightful:https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10699-009-9167-x …
Wonderful, thank you, this appears exactly on target! I’ve realized only in the past few months that there’s a de facto meta-rational movement in statistics; it’s really exciting!
I was just about to ask how you know about this stuff, and checked your twitter profile, and discovered you are a stats prof!
If you are curious how I try to teach eggplant, this is a bit of it: http://pages.stat.wisc.edu/~karlrohe/classes/lectures/performance.html …
I am interested in the history of this… My impression is that there’s a recent “movement” or “shift” in statistics toward a “meta-rational” approach, in the past ~5 years maybe. Is that true, or just a reflection of my ignorance?
It seems that Tukey advocated a multi-methods, “intuitive” close-to-the-data approach back in the ‘60s, so maybe there’s always been maverick exceptions, but the mainstream has been pretty rationalist, “here’s how you find Truth”?
yes, tukey is a good historical reference. many believe in meta rational approach... but we rarely (never?) realize it as *a salient thing* in published work. it is overshadowed by other cleavages.... theorems vs data, bayesian vs everyone else, blackBox ML vs simple, ...
That’s really interesting! The eggplant book is supposed to have a section specifically on meta-rational statistical practice. I was thinking that this might be useful to non-statisticians… but if it could help statisticians think about their work too, that would be fantastic!
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