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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Welp Banana‏ @literalbanana 17 Jun 2018
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      not quite because this is about mistakes about both

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    2. Welp Banana‏ @literalbanana 17 Jun 2018
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      could be mistaken about what the law says (high information cost to find out) and how it’s enforced (same)

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Jun 2018
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      I was reading this paragraph from Searle’s “Literal Meaning” when I saw this tweet, and it strikes me there is some connectionpic.twitter.com/od2lopWFqF

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    4. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 17 Jun 2018
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      When I think about linguistic quibbling like that my reaction is sort of instantly "but what about Grice?!?" Assume utterances are short, relevant, informative, and optimized to be so. Then intended meaning becomes MUCH clearer. http://goo.gl/DFiSDB 

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Jun 2018
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      Yes, Grice is in the same tradition, with late Wittgenstein and then Austin. Heuristically useful but doesn’t work as an empirically adequate account if you apply it to real-world usage. You have to go full ethnomethodology if you want empirical coverage.

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    6. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 17 Jun 2018
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      Say more? My model is that Grice's starting point is being successfully developed by linguistic pragmatists into game theoretic models that more or less successfully treat communication acts as moves in a cooperative game. http://goo.gl/Lc8vRJ 

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Jun 2018
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      By empirical adequacy I mean if you make up a dozen sentences like “Who, of John, Bill and Mary, came to the party?” that no one would ever say and do a logical analysis of them, you can come up with a story that impresses seven logicians.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Jun 2018
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      If you collect hundreds of hours of videotape of ordinary people having picnics and transcribe them meticulously and watch them a million times, you come up with a very different story, which may have something to do with reality.

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    9. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 17 Jun 2018
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      Recording, transcribing, and theorizing about real (generally tedious) human conversations is what pragmatist linguistics actually do in real life. I didn't go to MIT with its Chomskian idealism. I went to UCSB which is full of pragmatists ;-) http://goo.gl/dbR22c 

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Jun 2018
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      Yeah, that’s good! I’m not familiar with that transcription system, but superficially at least it’s similar to the EMCA one I know.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Jun 2018
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      I didn’t see the Grice/game theory paper being motivated by that kind of data. Maybe I missed something?

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        2. Jennifer RM‏ @almostlikethat 17 Jun 2018
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          Sorta? Ish? Grice was a philosopher. They just pose questions and initial theories precise enough for scientific examination. The pragmatic linguists, however, took his starting point and ran with it as fast as experimentalists can. They are still running now! :-D

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 17 Jun 2018
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          Right. This was going on on the late 80s too, mostly at SRI and Stanford/CSLI. I was sort of surprised to see none of that work cited, because at first glance at least it seems highly relevant.

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