Talk in the marketplace is that @jordanbpeterson is doing job #3 well for some.
I’m doing an amateurish job of #4 because qualified wizards have gotten scarce.
Neither of us is old enough to do job #5. You could try Robert Bly.
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Replying to @Meaningness @jordanbpeterson
why aren't you old enough for #5? I don't think I agree with that statement
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Replying to @wminshew @jordanbpeterson
I mostly don’t understand that phase. (There’s a lot I don’t understand about the middle one, too. I’m seriously not qualified, but hardly anyone else is trying, so …)
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Replying to @Meaningness @jordanbpeterson
Fascinating. Your blog played a huge role in helping me out of the 4.5 throes of despair. To me, you were #5, and I see your blog as largely focusing on #5. Your humility here is making me seriously question my own (over?)confidence.
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Oh, I’m so glad it was useful! By “job #4” I mean “helping people from 4 to 5.” I’m trying to do that. I feel underqualified, but probably so does anyone else doing that. Job #5 comes later. Bly does write about it a bit, but not clearly. I could use some help myself.
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Later.. hm. From my perspective #5 sounds like stage 5.. and #4 like 4.5 (3 still sounds like 3?). Perhaps it is just beyond me, for the time being. But if you think you might have the words to help me understand why #5 is beyond stage 5, I would love to listen
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I am not sure it is different! As I said, this is at the edge of my understanding. Bly talks about grief and loss as a major aspect of shadow-eating, which is 4->5 pretty much I think.
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Replying to @Meaningness @wminshew
Beyond that, there is drinking the sun. Maybe that’s still part of 4->5, but I haven’t completed it. I think it may be beyond 5, but Kegan didn’t talk about what’s beyond 5 if anything.https://buddhism-for-vampires.com/drinking-the-sun …
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Replying to @Meaningness @wminshew
Some other people have written about stages beyond 5… but I haven’t found their stuff convincing. It may not matter in practice… except possibly inasmuch as, to teach a stage transition, you may need to be meta to it… which would mean 6… whatever that is… probably nonsense
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was re-reading
@C_Harwick's post recently on how the meta-level doesn't justify itself (https://cameronharwick.com/blog/the-meta-level-doesnt-justify-itself/ …) and this conversation came to mind. Stage 6 seems impossible to me, but that's also to be expected I think. Stage 5 seemed impossible, once, too. /shrug1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
That’s a good essay, yes! I do have some vague thoughts about stage 6. But even stage 5 is sufficiently rare and difficult to talk about that I’m not sure how useful speculating beyond it is.
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