My point is not just about tools, it’s about Law, in your terms. It is not the case that decision theory is the objectively correct (even if unachievable) account of reality. It’s not a correct account.
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Replying to @Meaningness @juliagalef
I'm having trouble imagining by what stretch of the imagination you could call decision theory an account of reality and then declare it to be false. What does a universe look like in which decision theory is 'true'?
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky @juliagalef
I misunderstood you as saying that it was a true account of reality (and not merely useful in practice). I guess I am missing your point if that is not the case?
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Replying to @Meaningness @juliagalef
I'm missing your point because I don't understand what it means for decision theory to be a "true account of reality", and hence I can neither confirm nor deny that I believe this to be the case.
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Replying to @ESYudkowsky @juliagalef
Oh well. I guess we’re both talking past each other. It’s a bit puzzling. I can usually eventually understand other people’s worldviews, but I find yours unusually resistant :)
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(?) It sounds like 'true theory of reality' is something that could be occupied only by a final theory of physics. Decision theory just tells you the objectively best way of acting to satisfy a set of preferences.
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“Objectively best” assuming a set of axioms is satisfied. There can sometimes be a bait-and-switch or motte-and-bailey here when you try to apply this to a concrete real-world situation.
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Do you have a specific example in mind?
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Well, to get decision theory to apply, you have to characterize the situation in terms of a set of well-defined actions, well-defined outcomes, well-defined goodnesses, and you need some meaningful way of estimating probabilities. None of those are objectively given.
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This example isn't analogous but I'm curious how you'd reply to a student saying, "The notion of 'objectively true sentences' is wrong and can't be rescued, because words don't have culturally independent meanings and there's no Objective Teacher to grade answers as correct."
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This has several moving parts, so it’s a bit complicated. First, there is no clear definition of “objective” or “objectively true,” as far as I have been able to discover. There are several pretty different uses that are all quite vague.
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Replying to @Meaningness @ESYudkowsky and
Under some reasonable interpretations of “objectively true,” there aren’t any outside math and possibly QFT. Under some other reasonable interpretations, lots of things are objectively true. Lots of arguments founder on this contrast.
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People who invoke “culture” here typically want to argue for some kind of extreme relativism under which they are allowed to win any argument by dismissing factual evidence and saying everything is just power politics, so they win because they are more oppressed than you.
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