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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      Wasn’t Robert Shiller going to create house price derivatives for this purpose? Wonder what happened with that… I vaguely recall markets turned out to be too local

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      I sort of remember his arguing that an asset you can’t short will inevitably be subject to undesirable speculative bubbles, so housing derivatives would help stabilize the market

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    3. Gary Basin  💡‏ @garybasin 28 May 2018
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      They were created, listed at the CME, and never traded. Same story for the vast majority of new product listings attempted. What makes for an active market is a fun thing to think about

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      Tx! My recollection is that Shiller’s original idea was that they should be a product for regular folks… which would mean repackaging them as mutual funds or ETFs you could hold in a 401(k) or something. Regular folks don’t have futures accounts (for better or worse…)

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      Nowadays there’s an ETF for everything, but I guess that wasn’t true ten-ish years ago

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    6. Gary Basin  💡‏ @garybasin 28 May 2018
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      The futures would have been super highly correlated with REITs, I bet, which have been easy to trade since like the 90s

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      I don’t have numbers or details, but my recollection is, not so much. There were no house REITs (or those of us skeptical in 2007 would have shorted them). Closest thing was apartment REITs, but that market has somewhat decoupled dynamics.

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    8. Gary Basin  💡‏ @garybasin 28 May 2018
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      Ya that's true, not much institutional holding of SFHs until post-crisis. So you think if they listed an inverse ETF it would have had interest back then? I'd think only from speculators, and maybe not even. Not enough leverage

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      No, I think very few people understood the problems pre-crisis.

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    10. Gary Basin  💡‏ @garybasin 28 May 2018
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      On a related note, the planets have recently aligned in such a way as to have me looking into the value of using MACHINE LEARNING to price and trade individual mortgages

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 28 May 2018
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      I expect you are not the only one :) There was a thread about the cost structure of mortgage origination from @patio11 a few days ago that you might find interesting, icymi…

      7:50 PM - 28 May 2018
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        1. Gary Basin  💡‏ @garybasin 28 May 2018
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          Cool. I'll check it out. Ya one of the planets was meeting someone working on a HUGE startup that has brought the entire home buying process together in a smooth UX with a fully automated backend. Very slick

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