But explicitly asking questions is key to affirmative consent. Also: many people’s awkwardness or status (esp. financial class, trans, etc) can interfere with ability to form relationships. Relevant to not just dudes but disadvantaged PoC, single moms. Celibacy snowballs.
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Replying to @PatrickGerard01 @InFNsanity and
Yes, trans or gender non-conforming ppl can have trouble finding partners even if they have good social skills, esp in small towns or remote areas, as can physically disabled, mentally ill, autistic, socially awkward or low self-esteem folks, or folks in tough situations. Not…
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Replying to @MarlaCaldwell @PatrickGerard01 and
everyone who is involuntarily celibate for long periods is misogynist or dangerous to partners, and all deserve to have a supportive community, just preferably not one that encourages hostility, objectification, and violence as the ones using "incel" label now so.
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Replying to @MarlaCaldwell @InFNsanity and
That’s the thing. These selfish guys will hijack any label or term to make it about them. By letting them have the label, we let them recruit. Unless we want to condemn every POTENTIAL terrorist (which might be many), it’s important not to condemn all incels/Muslims/evangelicals.
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Replying to @PatrickGerard01 @InFNsanity and
At this point, it's pretty clear that the term incel refers to a specific group & that's it's fair to have certain expectations about them. Those don't by any means apply to everyone who is involuntarily celibate, but if someone applies the "incel" label to themselves, reasonable
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Replying to @MarlaCaldwell @PatrickGerard01 and
At this point, it's pretty clear that the term Muslim refers to a specific group & that's it's fair to have certain expectations about them. Those don't by any means apply to everyone who is involuntarily celibate, but if someone applies the "incel" label to themselves, reasonabl
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Replying to @Zuleicht @PatrickGerard01 and
There are nearly 2 billion Muslims worldwide with a few major sects & several minor, a number of different cultural traditions & very few expectations valid for all. That's not true for the possibly tens of thousands now calling themselves "incel", which is rooted in misogyny.
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Replying to @MarlaCaldwell @PatrickGerard01 and
Elliot Rodgers had narcicisstic personality disorder. Whether himself, the media, or common lemmings want to label him as part of some movement doesn't change the fact that he was likely to be violent regardless of support, nor is calling1000s of people misogynists intelligent
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Replying to @Zuleicht @MarlaCaldwell and
The term as used in this discussion is applied to a specific subset of men who choose to identify as "incel". They immerse themselves in this created society, supporting each others warped reasoning, beliefs & behaviors. They have their own words for certain descriptions.
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Replying to @InFNsanity @MarlaCaldwell and
Sound it out. Involuntarily celibate. I don't care if there's also a group of people who you think we gross going by that name, there always will be some group. The media say "scary incels" and tolerant rainbow flag folk want to paint every virgin the same color, but not Muslims?
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There is a distinct difference between most involuntarily celibate ppl, who are often lonely but not hostile to an entire gender, & those who call themselves "incel", who promote violent anti-women ideology. The latter hijacked the label & left the former lacking their community.
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