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    1. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 6 Jul 2016
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      David Manheim Retweeted VoxEU

      Solid empirical result showing people should, in @ESYudkowsky's words, shut up and multiply; http://lesswrong.com/lw/n3/circular_altruism/ …https://twitter.com/voxeu/status/750627646271217664 …

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      Sensitivity to group size in policy decision-making http://bit.ly/29vZg4c 
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    2. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @davidmanheim @ESYudkowsky

      Human utility/wellbeing is not necessarily reduced by a dust speck. It *is* reduced by the existence of torture.

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    3. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @scottleibrand

      OK, so replace "dust speck landing in your eye" with another inconvenience that has an incredibly minor impact on a person.

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    4. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @davidmanheim

      I think you have to get above the threshold of actually causing negative emotions. 1 minute of mild annoyance would work.

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    5. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @scottleibrand

      If your utility function is such that it isn't affect until then, sure. But it's kind of irrelevant to the point, right?

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    6. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @davidmanheim

      My argument is that trying to make thought experiments maximally absurd doesn't reinforce the intended point.

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    7. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @scottleibrand

      generally I'd agree, but the (very extensive) series of posts is leading to conclusions that depend on stretching intuitions.

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    8. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @davidmanheim @scottleibrand

      so much of the intended point is that this expected utility argument applies even in intuition defying cases.

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    9. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @davidmanheim

      The utilitarian argument seems to assume overconfidence that utilities can be calculated with great precision.

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    10. David Manheim‏ @davidmanheim 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @scottleibrand

      I only partly agree. Yes, it can assume that, but it usually needn't. The bigger problem is assuming coherent utility at all.

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      MakerOfDecision‏ @MakerOfDecision 26 Jul 2016
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      Replying to @davidmanheim @scottleibrand

      But the argument isn't positive, it's normative. We should try to discover a coherent utility f(x).

      5:27 PM - 26 Jul 2016
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        2. Scott Leibrand‏ @scottleibrand 26 Jul 2016
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          Replying to @MakerOfDecision @davidmanheim

          We should positively model what humans value? Or change what humans value to make it coherent?

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        3. MakerOfDecision‏ @MakerOfDecision 26 Jul 2016
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          Replying to @scottleibrand @davidmanheim

          positively model a coherent version of what humans value as a prerequisite to survival; https://intelligence.org/files/CEV.pdf 

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