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    1. James Fallows‏Verified account @JamesFallows Apr 7
      Replying to @beltzner @MJones333

      Thanks

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    2. Michael Jones‏ @MJones333 Apr 7
      Replying to @JamesFallows @beltzner

      When I wrote "My quiet-leaf-blower company can find out: Who likes quiet leaf blowers?" I meant that precisely, my company can find out. One way is with an app using API query and traversal and one way is with a campaign if 2^n micro-targeted ads.

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    3. Michael Jones‏ @MJones333 Apr 7
      Replying to @MJones333 @JamesFallows @beltzner

      ... There are more than 29,000 categories including "total liquid investible assets $1-$24,999" or "Individuals that are frequent transactor at lower cost department or dollar stores. By having an ad for each choice (2^N ads) then as soon as they click the one they are served...

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    4. Michael Jones‏ @MJones333 Apr 7
      Replying to @MJones333 @JamesFallows @beltzner

      ...the advertiser has their data. Data licensed from many restrictive-distribution sources. Even easier using the API. Please tell me this is all wrong.https://www.propublica.org/article/facebook-doesnt-tell-users-everything-it-really-knows-about-them …

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    5. Michael Jones‏ @MJones333 Apr 7
      Replying to @MJones333 @JamesFallows @beltzner

      ...I don't mean thousands of choices, of course, just ten say and then 1024 versions of the ad with yes/no targeting for 10 categories. Each click tells an advertiser ten facts about age, health, gender, income, credit, or any of the thousands of categories. Thus it leaks.

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    6. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 7
      Replying to @MJones333 @JamesFallows @beltzner

      But that click happens at the <1% level, and is the same deal for Google. Sorry, you have no idea how either the FB or Google ads systems work, and I say this as FB's first ads targeting PM, and as the person who copied Google's ad exchange to build a Facebook copy (FBX).

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    7. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 7
      Replying to @antoniogm @MJones333 and

      Let me just highlight some of the things you got wrong. Facebook doesn't expose user PII, or even much in the way of FB targeting data to advertisers. In fact, it's the total *opposite*. Facebook struggles to *ingest* outside data via the Custom Audiences tool.

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    8. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 7
      Replying to @antoniogm @MJones333 and

      You get the directionality of data flow precisely *wrong*. FB's targeting data (for DR advertisers) isn't terribly valuable. FB doesn't sell data, it *buys* it by convincing advertisers to match data with FB, and allow FB to optimize over that matched ad delivery.

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    9. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 7
      Replying to @antoniogm @MJones333 and

      Also, you cast GOOG in a naively innocent light, and don't seem to understand the full scope of their business. Google runs the world's largest real-time ad exchange (I know all about it...again, I copied it for FB), which is the nexus of the sketchiest data brokers on the Web.

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    10. Mike Beltzner‏ @beltzner Apr 7
      Replying to @antoniogm @MJones333 @JamesFallows

      For the facts of what Facebook's system is like, please contact press@fb.com - they're expecting you and will answer honestly.

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      Michael Jones‏ @MJones333 Apr 8
      Replying to @beltzner @antoniogm @JamesFallows

      I'm satisfied here. Points are raised, mechanisms demonstrated, the response from someone who knows is, "yes but that is <0.1% of clicks." Yes is yes, and ad hominem attacks on me aside, 0.1% of clicks times $40k-per-leak consent decree terms is $ trillions. ...

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        2. Michael Jones‏ @MJones333 Apr 8
          Replying to @MJones333 @beltzner and

          ... so an official response is well deserved. On the charge of whitewashing Google, I hope not but it could be true. As I wrote, I only know what happened during Eric Schmidt's CEO tenure; others can better answer if Google is no longer as I knew it.

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        3. Michael Jones‏ @MJones333 Apr 8
          Replying to @MJones333 @beltzner and

          ...in fairness, maybe FaceBook does not technically leak if the app developer or advertiser takes the necessary action to get the data. "We sell guns and bullets, but it is the advertiser who loads the gun and pulls the trigger. Our hands are clean."

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        4. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 8
          Replying to @MJones333 @beltzner @JamesFallows

          Look, sorry to lay into you so much. I obviously take ad tech too seriously. I don't know the context of this email convo. It's ultimately Fallows who turned a private convo into a published @TheAtlantic piece. Perhaps you got dragged into this mess. If so, I do apologize.

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        5. James Fallows‏Verified account @JamesFallows Apr 8
          Replying to @antoniogm @MJones333 @beltzner

          You might read the item again, with care, before you make that kind of assumption or allegation. You can skip to the third paragraph of my intro.

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        6. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 8
          Replying to @JamesFallows @MJones333 @beltzner

          Fine. The details of how this ended up published are less interesting to me than the view it gives (particularly to those innocent of modern advertising) on how FB and GOOG pay for themselves (suspect that's true for most readers). I focus on the 'what' more than the 'how'.

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        2. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 8
          Replying to @MJones333 @beltzner @JamesFallows

          Right. And even more money when Google does the leaking. Here's the news when Google (after years) shut down passing along keywords in the ref URL. There was an entire industry dedicated to sucking in this data called 'search retargeting'.https://moz.com/blog/google-hides-search-referral-data-with-new-ssl-implementation-emergency-whiteboard-friday …

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        3. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 8
          Replying to @antoniogm @MJones333 and

          Google actually leaked *more* data in the past when you were there, than it does now. Look, I get it. You didn't work on Ads. But then don't bill yourself as the insider expert on it. I'd never venture to issue a definitive opinion on mapping, for instance.

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        1. Antonio García Martínez‏Verified account @antoniogm Apr 8
          Replying to @MJones333 @beltzner @JamesFallows

          I never attacked you at all. This isn't ad hominem. It's just a terribly misleading portrait of FB vs. GOOG monetization. It's doubly ironic, as the FB ads system is, in many literal ways, a copy of Google's (both the people who created it, and key elements like the auction).

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