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Business and sustainable development. Accountability. Tax. Feminist test case. Media: Tom Gardner at Slater & Gordon 0207 657 1690 press@slatergordon.co.uk

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    1. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 12 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @profchristians @iaincampbell07 and

      No my point is most companies domestic & international, exporting & selling locally would by this definition be using 'compelled labour', so by the logic should adjust profits for tax of all firms by e.g. 50c per labour hour.

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    2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 12 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @profchristians and

      Plus the international (not tax related) politics of this. Developing countries have resisted social clauses in trade agreements. Guatemala successfully challenged the US on that case: https://www.ictsd.org/bridges-news/bridges/news/trade-dispute-panel-issues-ruling-in-us-guatemala-labour-law-case … - so why would they define majority of workforce as 'compelled'?

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    3. Allison Christians‏ @profchristians 12 Apr 2018
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      I get that it reads to you as a policy proposal and you’re skeptical. But the question driving this analysis is not policy or politics. It is whether value creation is a useful legal principle for allocating MNC profits and if so, how the principle may be interpreted.

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    4. Allison Christians‏ @profchristians 12 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @profchristians @MForstater and

      That said I don’t disagree at all that politics and optics can easily get in the way of a paradigm shift.

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    5. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 13 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @profchristians @MForstater and

      In theory need not be restricted to intl txs. In UK transfer pricing applies domestically as well.pic.twitter.com/BEC1zHuDhs

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    6. Allison Christians‏ @profchristians 13 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @iaincampbell07 @MForstater and

      Agree but Maya is correctly pointing out that underpaid labour in a market affects all prices not just related parties. Paper discusses this, suggests price adj outside of transfer pricing could be done; exploring interp of which legal rules is just a different paper.

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    7. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 13 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @profchristians @MForstater and

      Accepted. I thought I was supporting her approach by drawing attention to fact that UK rules involving ALP operate domestically, not just across countries. In other words, why limit the methodology just to MNCs?

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    8. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 13 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @iaincampbell07 @profchristians and

      To not apply presumably assumes that tax is fully paid domestically by all firms, incl those who benefit from misalignment, which may or may not be entirely true...

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    9. Allison Christians‏ @profchristians 13 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @iaincampbell07 @MForstater and

      right, discussed some in paper. What motivates this work is that intl consensus of value creation tacitly accepts exploitation of people (and environment) and allocates returns to exploitation mainly to rich countries. I’m curious about and bothered by that as a legal standard.

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    10. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 13 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @profchristians @iaincampbell07 and

      I think there are 2 Qs: (1) Is ALP reasonably workable system (or does the fuzziness of assessing value make it fatally flawed) (2) Would international tax system paradigm shift to address above benefit poor people in poor countries?

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 13 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @profchristians and

      For (2) Qs matter: whether Northern MNCs really big employers of poverty line workers, & whether e really making $100 profit on product they produce for $5 and sell for $105. There is danger of assuming intl. tax rules is the answer if intl tax is what we are interested in.

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        2. Patrick S Fitzgerald‏ @p_sfitz 13 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @MForstater @profchristians and

          My interest in international tax has led me to opposite conclusion: apart from administrative / withholding / reporting rules international tax is almost never the answer :)

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        3. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 13 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @p_sfitz @MForstater and

          I sympathise. There are times when I see it used in various guises (ALP, CCCTB, CbCR, BEPS..) as the equivalent of the hammer owner seeing any problem as a protruding nail.

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        1. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 13 Apr 2018
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          Replying to @MForstater @profchristians and

          (1) of course creaks, esp for intangibles. (2) Some evidence that profits are v high,eg IPhone 7 manufacturing $5 v $424 profit http://fortune.com/2016/09/20/iphone-7-cost/ … But if labour were priced not on 'cost plus' but 'value minus', see https://www.forbes.com/sites/quora/2018/01/17/how-much-would-an-iphone-cost-if-apple-were-forced-to-make-it-in-america/#791f4d362d2a …

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