Illicit financial flows #IFFs ..trade misinvoicing, mispricing, transfer pricing, avoidance, evasion... Its confusing, and tempting to lump them all together. But if you are trying support the rule of law don't do it!https://www.cgdev.org/blog/pinning-down-illicit-financial-flows-why-definitions-matter …
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Replying to @MForstater
do you know if indicators for 17.1 have been agreed, and if so do they capture BEPs? On grey areas, where would you situate e.g. MNC tax planning that was internally estimated to have ~50% chance of being deemed legal if examined by courts?
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Replying to @CarterPaddy @MForstater
maybe first I should ask about the prevalence of ~50% probability legal arrangements.
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Replying to @CarterPaddy @MForstater
I don't think that's the right metric. I often see entirely uncontroversial arrangements where the tax analysis is so complex we end up 51% confident of a position. On the other hand, some avoidance (e.g. treaty shopping) could get to a v high degree of confidence.
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Replying to @DanNeidle @MForstater
You can probably appreciate how to outsiders 51% confidence looks like a grey area that shades into evasion , not "entirely uncontroversial"!
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I'd be interested in a poll asking everyone involved in these debates what % of MNC tax planning, or intergroup transactions, they'd guess would be deemed legal if examined by a competent court.
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Replying to @CarterPaddy @MForstater
I couldn’t answer so general a question. Most intra-group services are personnel, paperclip, etc - nothing tricky or naughty. Even for the most aggressive MNC I doubt more than a small fraction is questionable.
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Replying to @DanNeidle @MForstater
well maybe question could be sharpened, but I'm speculating that part of what's behind different views about whether it makes sense to lump MNCs' tax avoidance under 'illicit' is beliefs about prevalence of 'would be found illegal upon examination' behaviour
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great! what's the best way of getting evidence of that out there, to sharpen the debate (possibly so it becomes more about the shortcomings of existeing laws and what new legislation is desirable)
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The "Illicit" discussion is like a mirror image of the "fair" discussion people tend to assume the pornography test ( IKIWISI ) works, but not look too closely -- I think cases help -- e.g. Acacia, FQM, AMT, Oyu Tolgoi, Rio in Australia as well as ones that dont make the news
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Replying to @MForstater @CarterPaddy and
But there's no need to pile that together with actual illicit stuff. Bribes and kickbacks paid to secret shell companies are a different kind of thing (as
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Replying to @MForstater @jeremydcape and
I don't have a strong view, but seems to me that MNCs doing 'legal' things they suspect wouldn't actually stand up to scrutiny is one place where 17.1 arguably overlaps with 16.3 (if I've got those right)
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