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Dan Neidle‏ @DanNeidle 21 Mar 2018

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Dan Neidle Retweeted Momchil Sabev

Today’s #GDPR vs #DST question: is it right to require businesses to track their users? Can you track users across sessions, domains and devices without consent, within the GDPR?https://twitter.com/momchilsabev/status/976502801906982912 …

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The information required for assessing the tax does not have to be individualised to such a level as to constitute personal data but can and should be anonymised. In any case, all such processing has to comply with GDPR. See recital 34 of the proposal: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/proposal_common_system_digital_services_tax_21032018_en.pdf …

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 22 Mar 2018

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Replying to @DanNeidle

What I don't understand (maybe this is spelled out & I missed?) is which users are the base? - Uber drivers or riders? Amazon sellers or buyers? Ad words advertisers or viewers? Airbnb hosts or guests? Matters for 3% of what? & in some cases where?

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 22 Mar 2018

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I guess privacy & tracking issues much simpler if 'user' base is seller/advertiser/host etc in each case (ie just tot up source of payments, don't need to worry about devices etc), but then it's not doing what I guess people think it will - which is allocate to end users location

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iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 22 Mar 2018

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If revenues aree intended to be distributed amongst MS in proportion to the value) profits generated in each MS, you have to know end user locations?

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 22 Mar 2018

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Replying to @iaincampbell07 @DanNeidle

But they are not really. It's just a rough and ready approach. When I stay in someone's spare room in Barcelona we are both end users of Airbnb - the question is which one for the purpose of 3% (and if I buy ad words I am arguably an end user of Google's service... )

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iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 22 Mar 2018

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There will be quirky outcomes. Say Airbnb host and user are resident in UK but property is in Barcelona. New rules seem to give no value to Spain, although it's arguable it's the property that generates the profits. Whereas if the host or user is in Spain and location tracked....

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Dan Neidle‏ @DanNeidle 22 Mar 2018

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Drivers and riders. Marketplace sellers and buyers. All advert viewers.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 22 Mar 2018

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Replying to @DanNeidle @iaincampbell07

Drivers and riders are necessarily in the same country. But not so Amazon marketplace sellers and buyers (or even more so app designers and downloaders) -- so which country gets the 3%? Why advert viewers and not advert buyers (and are we/they sure?) ?

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Dan Neidle‏ @DanNeidle 22 Mar 2018

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So far as I can see, you mush all the users together, be they sellers/buyers/drivers/riders and then pro-rate by jurisdiction.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 22 Mar 2018

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Really? That's so weird though - 1 Amazon seller might have 1000s of customers - so then 0.1% goes to the sellers home country and 99.9% to the buyers? Seller is paying c. 15% referral fee while buyer is paying retail value of item - presumably its 3% of the first not the second?

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  (I mean 99.99% to the buyers countries collectively, not each individual buyer. But one buyer purchasing something a single item gets allocated the same amount of the total as one professional seller making a living from it?)
  
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