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Business and sustainable development. Accountability. Tax. Feminist test case. Media: Tom Gardner at Slater & Gordon 0207 657 1690 press@slatergordon.co.uk

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    1. George Turner‏Verified account @georgenturner 7 Oct 2017
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      It doesn't only relate to internal loans, there are avoidance techniques that use external debt too.

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    2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 7 Oct 2017
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      George i feel like we are going round in circles. Article says "MNCs can set up Fincos in tax havens to loan money to their Opcos"...

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    3. George Turner‏Verified account @georgenturner 7 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @MForstater

      Are you deliberately not reading the next sentence?

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    4. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 7 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @georgenturner

      No. i read it, but i don't get it - how you come to conclusion BEPs A4 will have no impact, by only looking at an external debt example?

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    5. George Turner‏Verified account @georgenturner 8 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @MForstater

      Intra-company loans + bank debt is not > intra company loans.

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    6. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 8 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @georgenturner @MForstater

      Sorry. I must be misreading as I don't follow this. If ICL are say 100 and BD 100 then surely 100+100 is greater than 100?

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    7. George Turner‏Verified account @georgenturner 8 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @iaincampbell07 @MForstater

      My bad - hit the wrong arrow key. Indeed. Intracompany loans, plus bank debt is not smaller than ICD alone.

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    8. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 8 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @georgenturner @iaincampbell07

      right I thought .BEPS4 designed to allow groups external debt but clamp down on thin capitalisation of subsids? (i.e not yr examples)

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    9. George Turner‏Verified account @georgenturner 8 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @MForstater @iaincampbell07

      As I said. Both here and on the blog, BEPS recommended cap includes both intra-company loans and bank debt.

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    10. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 8 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @georgenturner @iaincampbell07

      Yes. But BEPS not against 3rd party debt per se - it’s against a loading a subsid w excessive proportion of groups debt…pic.twitter.com/OFwsmm3rnO

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 8 Oct 2017
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      Replying to @MForstater @georgenturner @iaincampbell07

      Whereas yr example “dodgyco” seems to be a standalone co borrowing from third party.

      12:27 PM - 8 Oct 2017
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        1. George Turner‏Verified account @georgenturner 9 Oct 2017
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          Replying to @MForstater @iaincampbell07

          Its a made up company Maya. It was an example created purely to demonstrate in real terms how much debt a 30% EBITA ratio implies - a lot.

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