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    1. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 16
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      Replying to @HJoyceGender @elletorrito and

      "Offensiveness" has two senses: the objective meaning of the words and the subjective upset caused to the hearer. I don't accept that how we express ideas has no relation to the degree of offence in either sense.

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    2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 16
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @elletorrito and

      You are arguing for a set of principles which none of those arguing with you dispute: that expressing things in clear non-pejorative terms is objectively less offensive than being insulting, and that good faith efforts at dialogue with mutual respect is the way to resolve things.

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    3. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 16
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      Replying to @MForstater @elletorrito and

      Great. If we're all in furious agreement with what I've said I'm happy.

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    4. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 16
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @elletorrito and

      Where we are in disagreement is whether there is a way of making the GC argument would be deemed as inoffensive by those who are offended by the stickers and would cut through to land of mutually respectful dialogue (just don't think that it hasn't been found for lack of trying)

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    5. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 16
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      Replying to @MForstater @elletorrito and

      Maybe there is no such path. So all you can do is make the arguments in the way that is both objectively least offensive, and causes the least upset (if none is unobtainable). In context, these stickers were not that. Hence the wrong thing to do. But perfectly lawful.

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    6. Zetetic Elench‏ @ZeteticEl Oct 16
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @MForstater and

      What instead could have been put on a sticker to make the same argument with the same rhetorical impact?

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    7. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 16
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      Replying to @ZeteticEl @MForstater and

      I think stickering was the wrong choice for protest altogether in this context (fine in other contexts).

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    8. Zetetic Elench‏ @ZeteticEl Oct 16
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @MForstater and

      That’s a helpful clarification of your position, thanks.

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    9. Helen Joyce‏Verified account @HJoyceGender Oct 16
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      Replying to @ZeteticEl @SpinningHugo and

      It is, yes. Just checking, though - is Hugo aware that they are in response to 'Trans joy' and 'Trans women are women' stickers, which are all over the place and not being deemed problematic by police etc? Ie that it's a counterprotest?

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    10. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 16
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      Replying to @HJoyceGender @ZeteticEl and

      I said that in the original thread. I live in Oxford.

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 16
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @ZeteticEl and

      So u understand the context of the original stickers? That their stated purpose is to "annoy TERFs" & to promote the view that recognising biological sex is 'transphobic'. Clearly stickers are not the highest form of debate, but is your view one is behaving badly & not the other?

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