The weight given to perception of offence should depend on what is reasonable in the circumstances. Women’s rights have been painted as bigotry and institutions gas-lit into removing them. Taking offence when women re-instate the basis of their rights is unreasonable.
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Replying to @elletorrito @MForstater and
Assuming, arguendo, that the offence is wholly unreasonable, all other things being equal, if a view can be expressed in way that causes less upset, that is what should be done (though as a matter of law there should be freedom to cause as much upset as you like).
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Replying to @SpinningHugo @elletorrito and
Fine. There isn't such a way. The word 'woman' is gone and the word 'female' is compromised. ANY statement other than 'trans women are women full stop' is called hate speech. We're saying it the only way possible. NOT creating upset for upset's sake.
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Replying to @HJoyceGender @elletorrito and
I think it obviously false that the way express gender critical ideas are expressed cannot be more or less offensive.
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Replying to @SpinningHugo @elletorrito and
Literally. Any. Statement. Of. Gender. Critical. Ideas. Is. Called. Hate. Speech. I have pointed out that men are on average stronger than women and been told I’m a bigot. I know YOU see a difference, but activists and the police don’t. 1/2
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Replying to @HJoyceGender @SpinningHugo and
I mean you presumably see a difference between ‘woman: adult human female’ and the other sticker? The activists and police don’t. And the adult human female one is the most anodyne possible statement of the GC position!!
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Replying to @HJoyceGender @elletorrito and
As far as the police should be concerned there should be no difference at all. They're both lawful, and they shouldn't be wasting their time investigating non-existent offences.
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Replying to @SpinningHugo @elletorrito and
I meant they see each as equally offensive, which is what we’re now discussing here. They refused to tell
@jameskirkup what EITHER sticker said because they were BOTH too terrible to repeat. You think we GCs can ‘offend less’; I’m telling you we can’t2 replies 0 retweets 7 likes -
Replying to @HJoyceGender @elletorrito and
"Offensiveness" has two senses: the objective meaning of the words and the subjective upset caused to the hearer. I don't accept that how we express ideas has no relation to the degree of offence in either sense.
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Replying to @SpinningHugo @elletorrito and
You are arguing for a set of principles which none of those arguing with you dispute: that expressing things in clear non-pejorative terms is objectively less offensive than being insulting, and that good faith efforts at dialogue with mutual respect is the way to resolve things.
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It is not 100s of women have not tried this (and continue to try this) every which way, putting a lot more on the line than you have and a lot more effort into understanding the issues. Yet you feel able to pronounce that those stickering are behaving badly for 'no good purpose'
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