I was asked for a phrasing that wasn't offensive. That isn't. Why does it undermine my answer if some other people don't understand the meaning of words?
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Replying to @amymcconnellme @MrStripeyLegs and
Some words, even when factually true, are offensive in context. The stickering didn't argue for women only spaces or anything of that kind. It was just aimed at telling transwomen that they are not women.
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Replying to @SpinningHugo @amymcconnellme and
Maya Forstater Retweeted
Hugo: this is the context as
@giagia, long of these parts, tells it https://twitter.com/giagia/status/1172813170546806784 … The idea that women are just asking in the wrong way, causing needless offence by not being rational or sensitive enough is naive (as we have learnt)Maya Forstater added,
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Replying to @MForstater @amymcconnellme and
If members of a group have behaved unreasonably or said offensive things to you, or members of your group, in the past, I don't think that means you have a liberty you otherwise wouldn't have to behave towards members of that group differently than otherwise in "self defence".
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Replying to @SpinningHugo @amymcconnellme and
No. That is not the point I am making. You say if only we had used inoffensive phrasing "Love & respect for all, but women only spaces are important" no one would have found it offensive. But that is exactly the phrasing that just about *everyone* has come into this using.
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Replying to @MForstater @SpinningHugo and
So your argument b) shuts down every expression of the gender critical position, because some people find the position itself (that women as a category excludes male people) offensive (or at least use offence taking as a means to shut it down.pic.twitter.com/GPAWirVX9b
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Replying to @MForstater @amymcconnellme and
No. But if you can express the same gender critical view whilst giving either no or less offence, that is the morally correct course, all other things being equal.
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Replying to @SpinningHugo @amymcconnellme and
Sure but in practice you can't say the definition of woman at all without giving offence. The offence taking dial has been turned to 10 for every possible expression of it. So using the offence taking as a measure of the morality of the people using the definition will be off.
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This meeting was basically a 2 hr long recitation of 'love & respect all' etc...) People were so offended by it they banged on the windows the whole time (they could have come in). By your formula the people who held the meeting were morally in the wrong?https://womansplaceuk.org/2019/09/26/i-am-not-your-enemy-lets-talk/ …
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