Maya Forstater on Twitter: "No. That is not the point I am making. You say if only we had used inoffensive phrasing "Love & respect for all, but women only spaces are important" no one would have found it offensive. But that is exactly the phrasing that just about *everyone* has come into this using.… https://t.co/Gf6qWWzLAo"

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Amanda Gosling‏ @AmandaGosling3 Oct 15

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Replying to @SpinningHugo @Pollykenbrook and

But it was I disagree with what you say but will fight for you right to say it defence -hence the pile on

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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Replying to @AmandaGosling3 @Pollykenbrook and

I do disagree, yes. It is possible to express a gender critical view in a less offensive way. That these are statements of fact (as I stated at the start) doesn't meant they do not (foreseeably, and deliberately) give offence.

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Ginger Jazz Man‏ @MrStripeyLegs Oct 15

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Replying to @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3 and

Genuine question: how would you express that particular gender critical view in a less offensive (preferably inoffensive) way? How can that idea be conveyed such that nobody will be offended by it? I doubt it's possible. I'd like you to prove me wrong.

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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Replying to @MrStripeyLegs @AmandaGosling3 and

How about "Love and respect for all, but women only spaces are important." I suspect that isn't going to satisfy you as a rallying call though.

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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Replying to @amymcconnellme @MrStripeyLegs and

I was asked for a phrasing that wasn't offensive. That isn't. Why does it undermine my answer if some other people don't understand the meaning of words?

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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Replying to @amymcconnellme @MrStripeyLegs and

Some words, even when factually true, are offensive in context. The stickering didn't argue for women only spaces or anything of that kind. It was just aimed at telling transwomen that they are not women.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15

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Maya Forstater Retweeted

Hugo: this is the context as @giagia, long of these parts, tells it https://twitter.com/giagia/status/1172813170546806784 … The idea that women are just asking in the wrong way, causing needless offence by not being rational or sensitive enough is naive (as we have learnt)

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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Replying to @MForstater @amymcconnellme and

If members of a group have behaved unreasonably or said offensive things to you, or members of your group, in the past, I don't think that means you have a liberty you otherwise wouldn't have to behave towards members of that group differently than otherwise in "self defence".

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15

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Replying to @SpinningHugo @amymcconnellme and

No. That is not the point I am making. You say if only we had used inoffensive phrasing "Love & respect for all, but women only spaces are important" no one would have found it offensive. But that is exactly the phrasing that just about *everyone* has come into this using.

2:42 PM - 15 Oct 2019