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    1. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @HJoyceGender @AmandaGosling3 @MForstater

      Again, I'm not sure I do miss that point. I don't think that merits criminalisation either.

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    2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      But do you view it a "very bad way to behave" for someone to use this sticker or wear this t-shirt?pic.twitter.com/LTHYrYVA4Q

      2 replies 2 retweets 60 likes
    3. Helen Joyce‏Verified account @HJoyceGender Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      About half your interesting thread was devoted to how the stickers are immoral, wrong, offensive, a bad way to behave etc - though not criminal. My point is that they are none of those things. They are part of an important, and highly moral, political campaign

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    4. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @HJoyceGender @MForstater @AmandaGosling3

      Just not my concern, or indeed expertise. My interest is in the proper scope of the criminal law, and whether the police are behaving correctly.

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    5. Helen Joyce‏Verified account @HJoyceGender Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @MForstater @AmandaGosling3

      Hugo you're disavowing the first half, at least, of your own thread! You spent tweet after tweet saying 'these stickers were nasty, horrible, intended to offend, etc' and only then said BUT they shouldn't be illegal. I'm disagreeing with what you said yourself.

      1 reply 0 retweets 63 likes
    6. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @HJoyceGender @MForstater @AmandaGosling3

      I'm afraid I think that mischaracterises what I said. I did not send "tweet after tweet saying 'these stickers were nasty, horrible, intended to offend, etc", as anyone looking up through what I posted can see.

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    7. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      See your tweets 5/, 6/ and 7/ ending with the conclusion "Is posting such offensive messages a good way to behave?" the answer is no. It is a very bad way to behave, and the people doing it should stop doing so" 🙄

      1 reply 0 retweets 52 likes
    8. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater @AmandaGosling3

      Again, although my argument (which is about criminalisation) does not depend upon it, I do think that there is a difference between expressing a gender critical position inoffensively, and putting up stickers in town saying "women don't have penises", especially in context.

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    9. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @MForstater @AmandaGosling3

      Given (a) the obvious offence that would be caused (and if you think there is none, see my replies) and (b) that a gender critical position could have been expressed in a way so as not to give offence I think it was the wrong thing to do

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    10. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      There are a significant number of influential & loud people who say that there is *no* way to state the gender critical position in a way that does not give offence. i.e. if you don't believe that transwomen are women that is transphobic and if you say so you will fall foul of a)

      2 replies 2 retweets 18 likes
      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      Its not about whether the message is put on stickers or an academic paper, or a newspaper article or an utterly reasonable talk https://womansplaceuk.org/2019/09/26/i-am-not-your-enemy-lets-talk/ … someone will take offence, and someone else will say that women caused that offence by not being nice enough

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