Maya Forstater on Twitter: "Thats fine but ⬆️ you said "posted in order to offend" "for no good purpose" (neither is true) "It is a very bad way to behave, and the people doing it should stop doing so" (a judgement).... which is different from saying I have no view on the morality Q!… https://t.co/cHFtSWRUQj"

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15

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Fair enough. But that is not what the thread says. The thread comes to definite moral conclusions rather than remaining agnostic, and saying that moral conclusions don't matter here in any case.

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Amanda Gosling‏ @AmandaGosling3 Oct 15

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As far as I understand your argument you are making the point that even though it was morally wrong to place the stickers it is not criminal. The fact that you see it as morally wrong (or don't really care) offends those of us who think such actions are important.

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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I don't care for the purpose of my argument no. The stickers should not be criminalised and the police are mistaken. If the stickers are not offensive (and I have transwomen in my timeline arguing strongly that they are offended) the issue I wished to address doesn't arise.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15

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(I no this doesn't matter for your conclusion) but aren't you conflating 'considered offensive by some people' with 'morally wrong'. I mean some people consider this offensive. But is it morally wrong?pic.twitter.com/rvqAdyTcru

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Amanda Gosling‏ @AmandaGosling3 Oct 15

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There are three slightly different things : meaning to offend, offensive and offending. I guess the stickers (and in a meta way @SpinningHugo s posts) are the last

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Helen Joyce‏Verified account @HJoyceGender Oct 15

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Hugo also misses the point that many women find the 'Trans women are women, get over it' stickers offensive, and done for no good reason.

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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Again, I'm not sure I do miss that point. I don't think that merits criminalisation either.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15

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But do you view it a "very bad way to behave" for someone to use this sticker or wear this t-shirt?pic.twitter.com/LTHYrYVA4Q

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Helen Joyce‏Verified account @HJoyceGender Oct 15

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About half your interesting thread was devoted to how the stickers are immoral, wrong, offensive, a bad way to behave etc - though not criminal. My point is that they are none of those things. They are part of an important, and highly moral, political campaign

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SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15

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Just not my concern, or indeed expertise. My interest is in the proper scope of the criminal law, and whether the police are behaving correctly.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15

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Thats fine but you said "posted in order to offend" "for no good purpose" (neither is true) "It is a very bad way to behave, and the people doing it should stop doing so" (a judgement).... which is different from saying I have no view on the morality Q!

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1. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 Oct 15
  
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  "In order to offend" and "no good purpose" is a judgement based on what? Surely can only be your view, so the Q is whether or not that is a reasonable view. Not a view on the law and its scope.
  
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