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    1. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Of course that doesn't matter. My claim is that this is lawful, and ought to be, regardless of whether its sole purpose is to mindlessly offend.

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    2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo

      Right. I know it doesn't matter for yr conclusion, but still along the way say that the context is 'to offend', when in fact the context is serious legal & policy changes which affect women's rights. The morality answer is not as clear cut as you present! https://euppublishing.com/doi/full/10.3366/scot.2019.0284 …

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    3. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater

      Maybe, but as you can see I have no interest (at least for these purposes) in that question. I am interested in the justice of banning offensive words, not the question of who is right and who is wrong on the substantive question (which I think is irrelevant here).

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    4. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo

      Fair enough. But that is not what the thread says. The thread comes to definite moral conclusions rather than remaining agnostic, and saying that moral conclusions don't matter here in any case.

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    5. Amanda Gosling‏ @AmandaGosling3 Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater @SpinningHugo

      As far as I understand your argument you are making the point that even though it was morally wrong to place the stickers it is not criminal. The fact that you see it as morally wrong (or don't really care) offends those of us who think such actions are important.

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    6. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      I don't care for the purpose of my argument no. The stickers should not be criminalised and the police are mistaken. If the stickers are not offensive (and I have transwomen in my timeline arguing strongly that they are offended) the issue I wished to address doesn't arise.

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    7. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      (I no this doesn't matter for your conclusion) but aren't you conflating 'considered offensive by some people' with 'morally wrong'. I mean some people consider this offensive. But is it morally wrong?pic.twitter.com/rvqAdyTcru

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    8. Amanda Gosling‏ @AmandaGosling3 Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater @SpinningHugo

      There are three slightly different things : meaning to offend, offensive and offending. I guess the stickers (and in a meta way @SpinningHugo s posts) are the last

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    9. Helen Joyce‏Verified account @HJoyceGender Oct 15
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      Replying to @AmandaGosling3 @MForstater @SpinningHugo

      Hugo also misses the point that many women find the 'Trans women are women, get over it' stickers offensive, and done for no good reason.

      1 reply 4 retweets 112 likes
    10. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @HJoyceGender @AmandaGosling3 @MForstater

      Again, I'm not sure I do miss that point. I don't think that merits criminalisation either.

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      But do you view it a "very bad way to behave" for someone to use this sticker or wear this t-shirt?pic.twitter.com/LTHYrYVA4Q

      8:12 AM - 15 Oct 2019
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        2. Helen Joyce‏Verified account @HJoyceGender Oct 15
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          Replying to @MForstater @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

          About half your interesting thread was devoted to how the stickers are immoral, wrong, offensive, a bad way to behave etc - though not criminal. My point is that they are none of those things. They are part of an important, and highly moral, political campaign

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        3. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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          Replying to @HJoyceGender @MForstater @AmandaGosling3

          Just not my concern, or indeed expertise. My interest is in the proper scope of the criminal law, and whether the police are behaving correctly.

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