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Business and sustainable development. Accountability. Tax. Feminist test case. Media: Tom Gardner at Slater & Gordon 0207 657 1690 press@slatergordon.co.uk

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    1. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Maya Forstater Retweeted Alessandra Asteriti

      Nice thread. But i think u are missing that they were put up for good reason. To make a political argument (This one: https://twitter.com/AlessandraAster/status/1172421643768979456 …) not mindlessly to amuse or offend. i.e. is it offensive for a prison, a sports body, a doctor etc... to state that women are female?

      Maya Forstater added,

      Alessandra Asteriti @AlessandraAster
      What is in a slogan? (short thread) TWAW. No debate. Get used to it. I see legal academics say this, especially to women and feminists. It is supposed to close down debate. But they are lawyers. Used to parse the meaning of words. So let's do some parsing.
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    2. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater

      Of course that doesn't matter. My claim is that this is lawful, and ought to be, regardless of whether its sole purpose is to mindlessly offend.

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    3. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo

      Right. I know it doesn't matter for yr conclusion, but still along the way say that the context is 'to offend', when in fact the context is serious legal & policy changes which affect women's rights. The morality answer is not as clear cut as you present! https://euppublishing.com/doi/full/10.3366/scot.2019.0284 …

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    4. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Maybe, but as you can see I have no interest (at least for these purposes) in that question. I am interested in the justice of banning offensive words, not the question of who is right and who is wrong on the substantive question (which I think is irrelevant here).

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    5. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo

      Fair enough. But that is not what the thread says. The thread comes to definite moral conclusions rather than remaining agnostic, and saying that moral conclusions don't matter here in any case.

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    6. Amanda Gosling‏ @AmandaGosling3 Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater @SpinningHugo

      As far as I understand your argument you are making the point that even though it was morally wrong to place the stickers it is not criminal. The fact that you see it as morally wrong (or don't really care) offends those of us who think such actions are important.

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    7. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @AmandaGosling3 @MForstater

      I don't care for the purpose of my argument no. The stickers should not be criminalised and the police are mistaken. If the stickers are not offensive (and I have transwomen in my timeline arguing strongly that they are offended) the issue I wished to address doesn't arise.

      3 replies 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @AmandaGosling3

      (I no this doesn't matter for your conclusion) but aren't you conflating 'considered offensive by some people' with 'morally wrong'. I mean some people consider this offensive. But is it morally wrong?pic.twitter.com/rvqAdyTcru

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    9. SpinningHugo‏ @SpinningHugo Oct 15
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      Replying to @MForstater @AmandaGosling3

      Deliberately offending people for no good reason is morally wrong I think. The problem with the stickers was that they didn't carry any of the reasons why someone might object to self-identification.

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    10. Amanda Gosling‏ @AmandaGosling3 Oct 15
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      Replying to @SpinningHugo @MForstater

      So how could our point be made in a non offensive way?

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Oct 15
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      Replying to @AmandaGosling3 @SpinningHugo

      Thats kind of the nature of stickers though. There are arguments for and against nuclear disarmament for example, but this sticker doesn't make them. Lack of argumentation doesn't make it offensive. Do you think you are holding *these* stickers to different standard of morality?pic.twitter.com/TOOIqAvUjo

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