People who seek to exclude trans people need to be absolutely clear about the consequences of those actions and that is to cause the most severe and profound mental distress to people with a recognisable condition.
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Replying to @nellstock @AidanCTweets and
They need to be aware that what they are proposing is identical in impact to taking a person with severe agrophobia into a vast open space. Or forcing someone with a fear of heights to walk along the edge of the Grand Canyon.
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Replying to @nellstock @AidanCTweets and
Only the most insensitive would fail to recognise the cruelty of the above actions but somehow those who propose treatment which will cause similar levels of distress ignore this conclusion. Those with a gender critical stance need to accept the consequences of their actions.
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Trans pple shld not be excluded from education, jobs, housing, healthcare, services etc .. There are limited areas of life which are sex segregated. Unisex\mixed options shld be offered. There is no right to be where members of the opposite sex are undressing or expect privacy
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Unisex facilities are only a solution when they are for all. I have no issue with using unisex facilities which provide dignified and respectful treatment for all. The idea though of trans people being offered some 'third space' is exclusionary and would cause distress.
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Unisex facilities are open to all. Male facilities are open to males. Female facilities are open to females.
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Unisex facilities can only be considered a suitable solution if they provide levels of privacy and personal security such as would satisfy the needs of a non trans person. If this can be provided there is though little need for single sex provision.
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In high traffic areas single sex facilities (including urinals) are an efficient use of space & time. They are not for everyone though. Really if there are safe, private accessible spaces for all why do you want to remove single sex spaces for other people ?
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I'm pointing out that unisex facilities which would meet the need for safe, private and dignified facilities for trans people would negate the need for single sex provision for most people except as you say urinals may be a useful option for some men.
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Replying to @nellstock @MForstater and
In all likelihood if there were separate unisex facilities which were safe and private these would be chosen by many especially if the alternative is queuing for a shared single sex space.
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The same number of facilities with sinks inside mean longer queues. That's why we have single sex loos with sinks outside. A mixture of both serves everybody's needs w smaller queues. Why are you so against it?
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I think I've adequately explained why.
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