I would hope that the guidance issued is restrictive, and clearly says that a "single sex" service is trans inclusive unless there is explicit notice posted that it is trans exclusive, which is acceptable in very limited circumstances.
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
Given that being trans (i.e. having the protected characteristic of gender reassignment) is v. wide criteria, this in practice means the service is mixed sex. So then it should be labelled mixed sex (which with floor-to-ceiling cubicles, as you say, is fine)
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Replying to @MForstater @ramendik and
The point is there should be clear expectations for all - women should be able to be told clearly if a changing room, toilet, dorm, showers whatever is single sex or mixed.
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Replying to @MForstater @Flashmaggie and
You seem to be arguing from a user right to expect segregation, but UK law does not have such a right. The closest I can think of is a Canadian case, which establishes a right to privacy from "other sex" when nude only.
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Replying to @ramendik @MForstater and
However, when there is actual shared nudity (not the case in toilets), the "indistinguishable for all practical purposes" guidance can be applied, which in that specific case means genital configuration as visible. It was probably written *for* that specific case.
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
No. If a woman is vulnerable in a space which she has been told is female only and hears a man's voice, she does not have to wait to *see* his genitals to distinguish and to panic. People should be told clearly if spaces are single sex or mixed sex.
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Replying to @MForstater @Flashmaggie and
The current government guidance says otherwise. you want to make the law, as practiced, more restrictive towards trans people.
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Replying to @ramendik @MForstater and
And not just trans people. A woman can just as easily "panic" by seeing or hearing a GNC cis woman. Best practice is moving away from such panics.pic.twitter.com/T8It4wBATM
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
If there is no such thing as the "wrong bathroom" why bother having two different bathrooms in the first place?
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Replying to @MForstater @Flashmaggie and
Honestly? Because of urinals. Men with penises need to use them and not be seen by obvious women (or else much more space is needed). Many women also don't want to see urinals in action.
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Actually no, women also don't want men to walk into our cubicled toilets either. Otherwise building and school regs would say 'provide urinals separately'. But they don't, they say provide separate provision for males & females.
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Replying to @MForstater @Flashmaggie and
That is a building regulation specifically for schools and it does not define who "men" and "women" are for its purposes (since the audience is builders). But yes, I do support amending building regulations to support unisex toilets with tight cubicles and separate urinals.
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