Last week the Women & Equalities Select Committee agreed with what @fairplaywomen & @Womans_Place_UK and 1000s of women have been saying : we need clear guidance on what @2010Equality says about single sex services and @EHRC should provide ithttps://fairplayforwomen.com/single-sex/
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Replying to @MForstater @fairplaywomen and
The Women & Equalities Select Committee might also recognise that it's a nonsense to regard anyone's claimed gender as anything other than a form of self-expression and that it's no more incumbent on us to accept they've changed sex than that the moon's made of cheese.
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Replying to @Flashmaggie @paul_smortions and
Nope. Unless you want to leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights, the civil status of sex must be changeable, though self-ID is not a requirement. https://echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Gender_identity_ENG.pdf …
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
I do agree the guidance should be made clearer and easier to find. I found the guidance that says M&S etc were right abut trans inclusion in cubicled changing rooms, but when the misguided protests happened nobody found it. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/servicescode_0.pdf … p 198
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
I would hope that the guidance issued is restrictive, and clearly says that a "single sex" service is trans inclusive unless there is explicit notice posted that it is trans exclusive, which is acceptable in very limited circumstances.
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
Given that being trans (i.e. having the protected characteristic of gender reassignment) is v. wide criteria, this in practice means the service is mixed sex. So then it should be labelled mixed sex (which with floor-to-ceiling cubicles, as you say, is fine)
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Replying to @MForstater @ramendik and
The point is there should be clear expectations for all - women should be able to be told clearly if a changing room, toilet, dorm, showers whatever is single sex or mixed.
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Replying to @MForstater @Flashmaggie and
You seem to be arguing from a user right to expect segregation, but UK law does not have such a right. The closest I can think of is a Canadian case, which establishes a right to privacy from "other sex" when nude only.
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Replying to @ramendik @MForstater and
However, when there is actual shared nudity (not the case in toilets), the "indistinguishable for all practical purposes" guidance can be applied, which in that specific case means genital configuration as visible. It was probably written *for* that specific case.
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No. If a woman is vulnerable in a space which she has been told is female only and hears a man's voice, she does not have to wait to *see* his genitals to distinguish and to panic. People should be told clearly if spaces are single sex or mixed sex.
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Replying to @MForstater @Flashmaggie and
The current government guidance says otherwise. you want to make the law, as practiced, more restrictive towards trans people.
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