Last week the Women & Equalities Select Committee agreed with what @fairplaywomen & @Womans_Place_UK and 1000s of women have been saying : we need clear guidance on what @2010Equality says about single sex services and @EHRC should provide ithttps://fairplayforwomen.com/single-sex/
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Replying to @MForstater @fairplaywomen and
The Women & Equalities Select Committee might also recognise that it's a nonsense to regard anyone's claimed gender as anything other than a form of self-expression and that it's no more incumbent on us to accept they've changed sex than that the moon's made of cheese.
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Replying to @Flashmaggie @paul_smortions and
Nope. Unless you want to leave the jurisdiction of the European Court of Human Rights, the civil status of sex must be changeable, though self-ID is not a requirement. https://echr.coe.int/Documents/FS_Gender_identity_ENG.pdf …
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
I do agree the guidance should be made clearer and easier to find. I found the guidance that says M&S etc were right abut trans inclusion in cubicled changing rooms, but when the misguided protests happened nobody found it. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/servicescode_0.pdf … p 198
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
I would hope that the guidance issued is restrictive, and clearly says that a "single sex" service is trans inclusive unless there is explicit notice posted that it is trans exclusive, which is acceptable in very limited circumstances.
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Replying to @ramendik @Flashmaggie and
Given that being trans (i.e. having the protected characteristic of gender reassignment) is v. wide criteria, this in practice means the service is mixed sex. So then it should be labelled mixed sex (which with floor-to-ceiling cubicles, as you say, is fine)
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Replying to @MForstater @ramendik and
The point is there should be clear expectations for all - women should be able to be told clearly if a changing room, toilet, dorm, showers whatever is single sex or mixed.
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Replying to @MForstater @ramendik
Do you understand this? Visually, auditorily there is no way to distinguish between a male person with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment and one without (and it would be rude to try).
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Replying to @MForstater
The current guidelines actually do make an explicit reference to visual distinguishing. https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/servicescode_0.pdf … p 198pic.twitter.com/cbR9IIloxA
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Replying to @ramendik
That guidance is clearly unworkable, particularly given changing social norms, the widening trans umbrella (hence WESC asking for new guidance). There are many transwoman who are distinguishable from actual woman, even tho they have completed a personal transition in their view
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The guidance does not help the vast majority of TW who are distinguishable. And suggests life should be a series of nervewracking tests. Surely best practice for inclusion would be to provide accessible eg single occupancy options for anyone rather than to force them to use mens?
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Replying to @MForstater
For those trans women who move about the world seen as women, usually on long term HRT and often post genital surgery, best practice is women's spaces, anything else outs them. There is strong case law there, predating even the GRA.
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