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Business and sustainable development. Accountability. Tax. Feminist test case. Media: Tom Gardner at Slater & Gordon 0207 657 1690 press@slatergordon.co.uk

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    1. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      Mike Lewis Retweeted Maya Forstater

      Is the corporate income tax in decline? I got thinking about this from @mforstater, critiquing an @IMFnews blog about tax avoidance and falling CIT rates. Maya’s quite right, of course, that rates can’t tell you about revenues. But are CIT revenues rising in general? (1/10)https://twitter.com/MForstater/status/1153654060085649409 …

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      Maya Forstater @MForstater
      Corporate income tax rates apply to all companies. NOT just large ones, NOT just multinationals. Are the amount they are paying falling precipitously? No, because its about the base and the rate (as the IMF knows) The general LT trend on corporate income tax revenues is rising pic.twitter.com/VY9GrgRbB9
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    2. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      I’m not sure CIT revenue as % of total revenues is necessarily the best metric. CIT revenues might rise modestly even with a shrinking base, if corporate profits are exploding? Likewise all tax revenues including CIT might be collapsing, but CIT collapsing more slowly? (2/10)

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    3. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      Mike Lewis Retweeted Dan Neidle

      Ideally we’ld look at CIT revenues against corporate profits, as @danneidle has done for the UK. For 1 country this might still conceal profit shifting, but with consolidated profit figures, globally, we should see whether corporate ETRs are + or - https://twitter.com/DanNeidle/status/1134399939868577792 … (3/10)

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      Dan Neidle @DanNeidle
      Contrary to all conventional wisdom, UK corporates pay a higher % of their profits in tax than at any point since 2000. There has been no "race to the bottom" or "corporate handout". Our updated stats: pic.twitter.com/7TsW2xhZjw
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    4. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      Unfortunately international stats for corporate profits are not great outside Europe and the USA. I should construct my own dataset from e.g. Orbis, but I am far too lazy. (4/10)

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    5. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      The OECD does, though, produce stats covering 89 countries for CIT revenues as a % of GDP. Corporate profits don’t necessarily track GDP, but there should be some correlation between the growth of the economy and levels of corporate profits? (5/10)

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    6. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      The trend is a bit flatter than the IMF graph that Maya cites, except in LICs, which are nonetheless growing their CIT levels from a very low base. Elsewhere, CIT/GDP has been stagnant or declining since the 2008 crisis. (6/10)pic.twitter.com/fxwoNBfDoi

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    7. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      We can also calculate CIT take itself, and sum for different income groups, rather than averaging. Here there’s more volatility, but the recovery since 2011 looks like it’s stalling for all income groups except LICs (RH axis). (7/10)pic.twitter.com/hbb5DB0ukZ

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    8. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      So: The LT trend for CIT revenues is not clearly rising. Is this simply because of sclerotic corporate performance? Maybe. US post-tax corporate profits show much the same pattern, both profits made domestically and abroad. (8/10)pic.twitter.com/zasUaE5IrW

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    9. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      Given falling CIT rates, there’s probably been some base broadening; but likewise there’s nothing dramatic to show yet for global anti-avoidance efforts (though post-2016 results might be more telling) (9/10)

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    10. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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      N.B. This is a hugely primitive analysis. I feel sure others must have already done much better number-crunching. Comments/flamings/refinements very welcome. Data/calcs here: https://tinyurl.com/yxq523h4  (10/10)

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Aug 11
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      Replying to @Bakhunin @IMFNews @DanNeidle

      Good thread Mike. The OECD aggregate stats from CBC reporting will be interesting when they come out over a few years (covering big companies only). For US S corps also impact on the GDP-CIT relationship, not sure how much

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        2. Mike Lewis‏ @Bakhunin Aug 11
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          Replying to @MForstater @IMFNews @DanNeidle

          Thanks Maya. I was just thinking, somewhat mischievously, that CBCR might be the answer to statistical concerns...

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