Maya Forstater

So what is the answer on this? In the UK the policy was changed to house males in the womens estate. No assessment was done on the impact on women, and predictably women have been harmed.

It could be dealt with by specific rules (like keeping womens prisons for female people only), but it hasn't. Ditto for rape crisis centres, ditto for school changing rooms, ditto for womens sports, all allowing access for males into womens spaces by self ID in practice in the UK

It could also be dealt with using far less drastic and more proportional means. 99 people got gender recognition certs in Ireland last year. Why should the trans community, a tiny minority, be regulated on the assumption that they're all violent criminals?

Aisling. Would you please stop misrepresenting, it will help our discussion. We don't exclude males from places where women are undressing/ vulnerable etc or from womens sports because anyone thinks all males are violent criminals.

You kept bringing up the specific British prison issue, not me. If your issue isn't safety, what is it?

Fairness, dignity, inclusion and safety in spaces & sports that have been made female-only to enable women's participation in public life. Why should male people be allowed access? Should women be forced to pretend that they view someone with a penis as a woman?....

... In what circumstances eg healthcare, safeguarding, sharing sleeping accomodation is it ever appropriate to know the sex of someone? Should ppl who want to talk about this be losing their jobs a& being barred from social media? Are women allowed a name & to organise together?

Who is suggesting people shouldn't talk about it? We're currently talking about it, and my mentions are filling up with many horrid tweets, not from the trans community, as often happens if you try to discuss it rationally with people like you or @CamilleLoftus