Exactlymy point. So why can’t this apply for trans women.
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Replying to @EmmaLBriant @MForstater
This person appears to be arguing that because their hypothetical risk factors of experiencing these particular female hardships are nil, they should not be treated as women?
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Replying to @EmmaLBriant
No. She is not (she is not here having been thrown off twitter so i'll take the liberty of saying what i think she is saying). She is saying that being a woman is a material reality. There are specific risks and vulnerabilities associated with that material reality, and...
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Replying to @MForstater @EmmaLBriant
... therefore there are specific (hard fought for) legal protections for women as a sex. These are not based on 'gender identity' - you cannot identify into or out of these specific risks & vulnerabilities so they should remain tied to the material reality of sex.
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Replying to @MForstater
Look, I don’t want to be rude, I can see you want to talk about this all day but I have to get on with work, I can’t do that sorry.
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Replying to @EmmaLBriant
Yes. Me too. I'm easily distracted. Everyone has human rights. These are universal. Women have specific protection for their human rights based on their sex. I don't want these taken away.
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Replying to @EmmaLBriant
Hi Emma. I hope you don't mind me coming back to you. I won't go on. Your answer that women's & girls rights won't be eroded if males are able to self ID as women and have access to formerly single sex spaces seemed certain, but I don't think it is something we can take on trust
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Replying to @MForstater
I’m afraid that’s just really not a real threat. A. Trans women are not men pretending to be women. B. The likelihood of any occurrence of such a phenomenon is so minuscule compared to extent of impact of the denial of trans women’s rights.
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Replying to @EmmaLBriant
The issue is not whether transwomen are pretending it is that they are male. Should women be imprisoned w male bodied people? Should women have to compete in sports against male bodied people? Should infirm women not be allowed to specify female carers for intimate care? real Qs
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Anyway, as i promised i won't go on. But please do read the @WG_Scotland report. I think consideration of the risks and impacts on women & girls needs a real analysis. If you've seen one that supports your 'miniscule risk' conclusion please share it.
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Replying to @MForstater @WG_Scotland
I already said that was my final word. I’m not going to because you’ll keep bombarding me and I’d rather not get into the argument but I suggest you read further there’s a lot written on this. Much scientific research.
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Replying to @EmmaLBriant @WG_Scotland
I won't know if you've read it or not! So no I won't bombard you. I'm happy to read further. As i said i haven't seen any serious policy analysis that considers the impacts & risks to women & girls to support the conclusion that there is none. If you have seen it pls share
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