I backed the funding campaign to support people's right to express their views about gender self-ID. I don't have set views on the issue, + don't know the details of the case. But working through the pros+cons requires space for reasoned debate https://www.crowdjustice.com/case/lost-job-speaking-out … @MForstater
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Replying to @alanhudson1 @MForstater
I agree that we need to collect sex and gender data (and maybe in some cases even sexuality data). I agree we should have a discussion about it, mainly because most people don't understand the issue. However, I found Maya's post doing more harm than good to the topic.
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Replying to @Morchickit @alanhudson1
We don't usually talk about doing harm or good to a *topic*. Topics are matters of conversation. "X was inaccurate, confusing, wrong because Y", "I disagree w their premis or conclusion because Z..." yes. But just stating someone talking about a topic "harms the topic" ?
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maya, the words you use to describe people question their fundamental human rights. this is not encouraging conversation. sure, there is room for debate around the topic of gender vs. sex. one-sided discussions like the ones you have presented and promoted remain unproductive.
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Maya Forstater Retweeted Sarah Orton-Vipond
Sarah, you use the word TERF transphobic to describe gender critical people (presumably specifically me here?) https://twitter.com/SarahEOV/status/1125859149353558018?s=19 … Are you aware that "TERF" is associated with threats of violence against women? This is not encouraging conversation. https://terfisaslur.com
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Sarah Orton-Vipond @SarahEOVEngaging w/#TERFs online is fruitless. I'm also disheartened by the HUGE amounts of money raised in the name of transphobic "feminism" - I'm donating to orgs that support trans rights because I care about#intersectionalfemimism. Here's a list if you want to do the same!Show this thread2 replies 0 retweets 1 like -
Thanks, Maya. After your feedback, I did some reflecting and more importantly, research, on the use of the term TERF and I respectfully disagree. Words that we commonly use (like even "feminist" - a term I use proudly!) can be used in a derogatory way.
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Unlike 'Feminist' TERF is *generally* intended as an insult (with or without the violent threats) and a means to tell others to ignore and avoid. As you used it "Engaging with - *these people* - is fruitless" so yeah, in the spirit of respectful dialogue
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Replying to @MForstater @SarahEOV and
I argue that the risks & negative impacts *to women & girls* of allowing male bodied ppl who self identify as women to access women's spaces, sports & programmes hv been underexplored /ignored by the orgs promoting this policy... You both say I shouldn't give this one sided view
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The other side would be "you are wrong/you are ignoring this analysis by orgs that have seriously considered the impacts on women & girls... read their assessment here... ". I cannot find this anywhere. I would love to hear and present this other side.
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