I do none of these things. My only argument is that, since they are not biological females, they do not need rights that are based on women being females, and oppressed on basis of sex (CEDAW). It is really simple.
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You do all these things. Those talking about the oppressed working class are also defending their rights. It is actually quite incredible that you are trying to lecture me on int'l human rights, discrimination or minorities
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I am not lecturing you and frankly done, I am for equality, non discrimination and maintaining women rights as women rights and trans rights as trans rights. You think trans rights and women rights are the same thing. I disagree. Cheers
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I haven't said this but it is always impossible to argue anything with those who have the 'truth', speak on behalf of the oppressed attacking a minority that represents a danger to their rights. Nothing new here. It is very popular though. I give you that.
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Actually my position is the one that has caused people to lose their jobs and receive death threats. I have been DMed by legal academics calling me brave. It is chanting TWAW that is popular woke position now. I am not for reducing trans rights. They need *trans rights*.
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Replying to @AlessandraAster @EDRinLondon and
Also, your position totally forgets trans men, who need trans rights too, but, in your opinion, not women rights, because, although biologically female, they are men. Since they are men, does it mean they do not get any specific rights, or are they only ones who get trans rights?
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Have we moved to trans men now? There are many areas of law and policy that need thinking to accommodate trans rights. I don't have your simple solutions antagonising women's rights (some linked to gender roles & not biology) with trans women.
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Replying to @EDRinLondon @AlessandraAster and
How on earth can we have rights linked to gender roles? Which roles? Act ladylike, wear makeup, be submissive and you get certain rights, but speak up, fail to comply with the social dress code and you lose them? How does this work?
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Replying to @MForstater @EDRinLondon and
Think she is in a bit of a bind. If she admits trans men need pregnancy protections it means they are biological women which means I am right that trans women are biological men and don't need women rights. Oooops. She will have to throw trans men under a bus to uphold her theory
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Replying to @AlessandraAster @MForstater and
Who are you talking to? Who is a 'bind'? I leave it. I know from the start it is impossible to engage in a very complex issue with people who believe a sentence resolves it all.
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Can you expand on which gender roles people should have to comply with to gain non-sex linked "women's rights"? (i.e. Your proposal)
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Replying to @MForstater @EDRinLondon and
Exactly. Which gender ID characteristic is neither a rancid stereotype nor sex-linked (otherwise trans women could not possess it).
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Replying to @AlessandraAster @MForstater and
But you do know the end game of this. Lady penis and all that. Actually reconceptualising the male body as a female body. Women can have testicles, as one of them said to me. Women. Testicles.
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