Whether you are read as a woman or man actually depends v much on what you wear. I've been asked, when walking through Soho if I was "interested in a girl Sir?" I've been hit on by older gay men calling me a "nice young man". Has this happened to you in jeans & a boxy tee shirt?
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Replying to @Finn_Mackay @citizencath and
No it hasn't (at least since puberty I've not been mistaken for a boy). But presumably it would happen to a man wearing the same outfit. So how can it be clothes that are what mark me out as female?
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Replying to @MForstater @citizencath and
Why don't you try cutting your hair short & dressing in neutral clothing & see if in a queue one morning or getting on the bus you ever get misread & called Sir. Many women tell me that non compliance with femininity means ppl are often unsure of them or pronouns.
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Replying to @Finn_Mackay @citizencath and
Thanks. I've had long hair & short hair and I generally live in jeans and a hoodie when not at work. I used to get called "sonny" etc as a preteen, but never since puberty. Conversely my two teenage sons have similar hair to me, also live in jeans & hoodie, never get called miss
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Replying to @MForstater @Finn_Mackay and
I've had very short hair on and off over the years - even going out with no make-up, jeans, neutral top, gym shoes I was never, or at most vanishingly rarely and fleetingly, not read as a woman.
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Replying to @LucyHunterB @MForstater and
That's interesting that's your experience. Mine has been different.
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Replying to @Finn_Mackay @MForstater and
I don't doubt that - but the options open to you because of your particular build are not necessarily open to me.
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Replying to @LucyHunterB @MForstater and
Fair enough. We can't help our build, I wish I was taller, there we go. At least my aura is 5ft 8.
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Replying to @Finn_Mackay @LucyHunterB and
I think the thing which people were responding to (at least I was) was the idea the only reason people are recognisably female is because of their "gender expression", whereas for almost all adult women it's just a fact of life, not a choice.
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Replying to @MForstater @Finn_Mackay and
There's also context in the eyes of the beholder. My orthodox Jewish 9 year old neighbour once asked me,aged 38 at the time, if my dad would let me come round to his house to play. He assumed a small woman in trousers with long hair was another boy.
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Children are much less clear about difference between sex and gendered clothing cues (and also more androgynous themselves). Adults are pretty good at identifying the sex of other adults, without relying on clothing cues.
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Replying to @MForstater @Finn_Mackay and
Agree, although no androgyny in the orthodox Jewish community hence his confusion
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