I wonder if the gender-free will experience scrutiny when they are travelling through passport control, or get questioned in public toilets as these are still quite gendered spaces & although the binary is a fiction, most people, still, are recognizably on it.
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Replying to @Jsoosty @sally_hines
The aim of some schools of Feminism yes, to remove gender as it's a system of sex rank. But we aren't in that world yet obviously. Nobody likes sexism, or stereotyping, but why say you are gender-free, how would this even be possible in our so gendered society?
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It means I don't personally subscribe to those rules because gender is not innate, though I understand there are people who do feel they have an internal gender. It's important to say so at this moment because there is a very loud narrative that everyone has an innate gender
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Ok, I just think it might be considerate if ppl clarified that gender-free doesn't mean free of gendered presentation or free of normative gendered presentation, because it's a particular life experience not being easily coded by others as gendered.
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Replying to @Finn_Mackay @citizencath and
Most women if they put on, say, jeans and a plain boxy t-shirt, without make up or hair styling are immediately recognisable as women. Its not "gendered presentation" that is being read, but they are still subject to gendered expectations.
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Replying to @MForstater @citizencath and
That's your experience. I'm routinely read as a young man or as a what's that. I'm female. I think you really underestimate how rigid gender norms are & how quickly ppl make snap judgements about others based on v basic stereotypical outward gender cues.
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Yes I agree people make snap judgements based on gender norms. But my point is people also read sex (and then bundle it up with gendered expectations) in the absence of *any* external gendered clothing cues...
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Replying to @MForstater @Finn_Mackay and
... So the idea that women who are routinely read as female, must be putting on a some external form of gendered expression also does not work.
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