That doesn't mean I'm not going to look into the links you've provided or continue to learn on my own. But my goal will continue to be protecting everyone equally and fairly, and just double checking to make sure no one's noticed anything unintended I might not haven thought of
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
That doesn't seem to be the goal of the 'gender critical viewpoint' in any situation I've encountered. And I honestly can't begin to imagine what it would take for the argument that trans women are not women to be as compelling as the experiences shared by trans women themselves
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @2010Equality and
So a woman is anyone who has a female gender identity? In that case, how can we talk about the group of humans who have the potential to gestate and bear young? This group of people face oppression because of their biology. We need to define them. What word would you use?
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Replying to @Salapandas @2010Equality and
A: ciswomen, trans men and at a bare minimum maybe biologically female are all terms that fit that criteria. B: defining female nature purely by reproductive capabilities is extraordinarily reductive and unfair to any women who fall outside that standard and you should know that
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @2010Equality and
Ciswomen and transmen doesn't include women who have no gender identity.
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Replying to @Salapandas @2010Equality and
Which is specifically why I included biologically female as a potential fallback. I personally am not as familiar with the terminology adopted most commonly by the nonbinary community so I wouldn't want to commit to language that didn't include their input
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
But since we're specifically talking about alternate terminology that accounts for trans and nonbinary people, there wouldn't be women who have no gender identity. They would be whatever nonbinary people prefer to be referred to as, biologically female or not
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
I am a woman who does not experience an internal sense of gender identity. I know lots of women who don't. This is not the same as being "non binary".
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Replying to @MForstater @Salapandas and
No, it isn't. It quite literally is not the same thing at all. You call yourself a woman, you consider yourself a woman. It could be purely because of your biology, it could be your sense of your identity. The point is that how you define yourself is not universal for everyone
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @MForstater and
Whatever being a woman means to you is only what it means to you. Projecting that on to anyone else doesn't help anyone. Creating standards and definitions that people must live up to or fail doesn't help anyone
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So man and woman are meaningless terms?
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Replying to @MForstater @Salapandas and
Biology is seriously complicated and a sense of variable characteristics and something of a sliding scale approach are a much better way of accounting for all conditions, situations, and general biodiversity that make hard binary divides incomplete and exclusionary
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