I don't think twitter is the best medium to get into long discussions on this but you can find a whole load of links to resources in https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me … if you're genuinely interested in the gender critical viewpoint...
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Replying to @Salapandas @2010Equality and
I should also clarify, I'm not interested in the 'gender critical' viewpoint. I'm interested in making sure that protecting trans people doesn't hurt anyone else, which I don't think is likely and would like to make sure no one has good evidence for to be absolutely safe
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
The difference may seem slight and it might just be semantical word use, but I've seen 'gender critical' used by too many people I know full well I very much don't agree with to trust it on sight
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
That doesn't mean I'm not going to look into the links you've provided or continue to learn on my own. But my goal will continue to be protecting everyone equally and fairly, and just double checking to make sure no one's noticed anything unintended I might not haven thought of
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
That doesn't seem to be the goal of the 'gender critical viewpoint' in any situation I've encountered. And I honestly can't begin to imagine what it would take for the argument that trans women are not women to be as compelling as the experiences shared by trans women themselves
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @2010Equality and
So a woman is anyone who has a female gender identity? In that case, how can we talk about the group of humans who have the potential to gestate and bear young? This group of people face oppression because of their biology. We need to define them. What word would you use?
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Replying to @Salapandas @2010Equality and
A: ciswomen, trans men and at a bare minimum maybe biologically female are all terms that fit that criteria. B: defining female nature purely by reproductive capabilities is extraordinarily reductive and unfair to any women who fall outside that standard and you should know that
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @2010Equality and
Ciswomen and transmen doesn't include women who have no gender identity.
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Replying to @Salapandas @2010Equality and
Which is specifically why I included biologically female as a potential fallback. I personally am not as familiar with the terminology adopted most commonly by the nonbinary community so I wouldn't want to commit to language that didn't include their input
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
But since we're specifically talking about alternate terminology that accounts for trans and nonbinary people, there wouldn't be women who have no gender identity. They would be whatever nonbinary people prefer to be referred to as, biologically female or not
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I am a woman who does not experience an internal sense of gender identity. I know lots of women who don't. This is not the same as being "non binary".
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Replying to @MForstater @Salapandas and
No, it isn't. It quite literally is not the same thing at all. You call yourself a woman, you consider yourself a woman. It could be purely because of your biology, it could be your sense of your identity. The point is that how you define yourself is not universal for everyone
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