And finding this potential evidence is made all the harder by far too many encounters with people who argue in bad faith purely for their own interests with seemingly little regard for someone else's pain or struggle
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
Ultimately I want everyone to feel safe, I really honestly do. But there are prejudices at play that are real and cannot be excused because they are just a 'belief'. And no one will be truly protected until we make sure the conversation is rooted in compassion and not fear
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @2010Equality and
Tbh I think the conversation will always involve fear as a large element, many women are afraid of men and that's one of the reasons so many fear the removal of single sex spaces.
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Replying to @Salapandas @2010Equality and
Being afraid doesn't automatically make someone right, and it certainly isn't a license to inflict pain on someone else. Especially if that person is as likely to be victimized by the same group you're afraid of. Solidarity in the face of shared threats is stronger than division
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
If the fear is of trans people themselves, that's blatantly ridiculous. Having a penis doesn't instantly make someone a threat to anyone by virtue of that alone, I know from more than a great deal of personal experience in the matter
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
If the fear is of men sneaking in under the cover of being trans, not only does that seem like a pretty hypothetical scenario based on everything I've encountered, there's literally nothing that can prevent that from happening whether trans people are allowed or not
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
Unless you want everyone to present special papers or drop their pants to get in the door every time, all that changes is innocent people who pose no threat to anyone are excluded on the basis of a medical condition they're attempting to rectify
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
Incidentally the only people who would be singled out as not belonging would be those who couldn't pass as effectively or ciswomen who had what were perceived to be particularly masculine characteristics, which isn't a great way to deal with gender stereotypes and assumptions
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
And it ignores the obvious fact that trans people would be forced to use they opposite rooms they no longer identify with. Not even considering how psychologically damaging that kind of negative reinforcement can be, do you really think that's safer for them?
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Replying to @TheMercifulZeus @Salapandas and
"I'm afraid of violent and abusive men, and that's why you people who can potentially look and act very feminine and already face a significant risk of physical violence and social prejudice should have to deal with those people instead" is not an acceptable answer
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The definition of woman according to the doctrine of gender identity is anyone who identifies as a woman. It does not require looking or acting feminine. Girls are being told they have no right to privacy from any male who identifies as female, even if clearly male.pic.twitter.com/Z6X5UHm71V
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Replying to @MForstater @Salapandas and
I should point out this address literally nothing that I said. None of the practical problems, none of the inability to actually protect anyone, none of the question of whether fear is justified just because it exists, and none of the new problems created for everyone
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