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Business and sustainable development. Accountability. Tax. Feminist test case. Media: Tom Gardner at Slater & Gordon 0207 657 1690 press@slatergordon.co.uk

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    1. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      In sports, as you say "the science is out" on the effects of hormone therapy. In other words there is no evidence that simply lowering testosterone for a short time erases all the other advantages of having a male body. 13/

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    2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      I do not accept that lesbian and gay men's sexual orientation towards people of the same *sex* is a "bias" that needs to be examined (or indeed heterosexual's orientation). It is not an "issue" for gay men that they are not sexually attracted to females! (15/)

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    3. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      In general I think you are setting the boundary of acceptable risk & harm to women far too high - - there must be a general crisis in shelters & transwomen winning *all* the sporting medals or there is no problem from removing single sex spaces/sports and making them mixed sex?

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    4. Lucia Ferrone  🇪🇺  🏳️‍🌈‏ @lucyferr85 Mar 31
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      I don't agree. I think that with respect to all the issues and risks women face, and in particular in those two contexts, this is close to non existent. I cannot find data to support this level of concern. Only anecdotes.

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    5. Lucia Ferrone  🇪🇺  🏳️‍🌈‏ @lucyferr85 Mar 31
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      The root of the problem is that you (as do others) keep thinking abt trans women as inherently men and therefore attributing them 'male' characteristics such as being a bigger threat of sexual assault to women than, say, regular other women or officers in correctional facilities

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    6. Lucia Ferrone  🇪🇺  🏳️‍🌈‏ @lucyferr85 Mar 31
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      I refuse this premise. I don't think it's based on data and science. Concerns of ppl in these situations should be heard, of course, IF this happens to be a bigger concern than others, which I doubt. I think we probably have to agree to disagree.

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    7. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      Lucia - you asked me for "actual instances" . So I gave you some actual instances. You said they were anecdotes, not data.

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    8. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      So I offer some data (I know it's imperfect) and you call it "bogus" without saying why. Yes I know the FPFW article is not a "study", but it is data from the DoJ. In what way is that bogus?

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    9. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      You say that the root of the problem is that I (and others) keep thinking abt trans women as inherently 'male'. Well yes. By definition to be a transwoman you have to be male.

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    10. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      You say we must assume that this sub- population of males do not have "male characteristics" eg in relation to sport and risk to women, but you have not offered any data for this. (its a big claim. It requires evidence)

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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      Meanwhile you are saying that women in prison, refuges and shelters who have PTSD and who fear the presence of someone they recognise as male in women only spaces are a problem.

      7:43 AM - 31 Mar 2019
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        2. Lucia Ferrone  🇪🇺  🏳️‍🌈‏ @lucyferr85 Mar 31
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          You are putting words in my mouth that are really not there. In the meantime, I have trouble following your arguments bc you keep shifting the goalposts. I don't think we can have more of a conversation than this

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        3. Lucia Ferrone  🇪🇺  🏳️‍🌈‏ @lucyferr85 Mar 31
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          Bc we assume fundamentally different premises. You make the case that treating trans women as women is a problem, you mention specific instances, but seems to me that is much more generic. It's also weird to me that neither of these involve discussion of reproduction.

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        2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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          As are gay men w a "bias" against female sexual partners and lesbians with a "bias" against having sex with males (but not necessarily against trans partners - 1/3 of lesbians in this study would date a trans person - mainly a transman)https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating/amp …

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        3. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Mar 31
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          I think transwomen, like every one, need protection for their human rights. But this does not mean denying that people are male or female. See @DebbieHayton 's arguments for a transwoman' s perspective for example:https://quillette.com/2018/03/30/plea-trans-activists-can-protect-trans-rights-without-denying-biology/ …

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