Maya Forstater

... Or does it put these two categories of people together because they both share a common characteristic "women" which all women (whether bio male or bio female) have, but eg non binary females don't have (is there any proof of this thing? How do I know I've got it?)

If we're using a definition you're a woman if you really feel like a woman, whatever that means to you, does the question "how do I know if I've got it?" make sense? You tell me, do you feel like a woman? I guess: yes.

I can't pretend to understand what it's like to be born in a male body and really feel like that's the wrong gender but I believe it's a real thing that should be respected not shat on on grounds of your preferences regarding analytical categories.

Empathy is good. Also for women in prison who have been victim of sexual assault whose PTSD is set off if male prisoners housed w them. For female students who lose out on athletic scholarship because male bodies run faster...

... For muslim woman who can't use women only swim if ppl w male bodies also there. For young lesbians being told their sexual orientation is bigoted & to get over not wanting male partners. I agree gender dysphoria is real, but so are impacts on women if gender id overrides sex

I don’t know why you are rehearsing these arguments with me. I haven’t expressed a smidgen of disagreement with them. I have asked what practical difference to the feminist cause, away from these edge cases you mention, in fields of education, tax etc., adopting option B makes.

I am asking about your response to TJN which claims e.g. option B means “discarding the evidence of the masses of studies”. I don’t see why including trans women (and excluding trans men) would change the conclusions of those studies.

I am talking about how we understand women's oppression by patriarchal social structures. TJN say *none* of this has anything to do with their reproductive role and the way that societies have evolved to control this.