Maya Forstater

Well if the proposal for Option B is not coherent enough for us two to work out what it is maybe we are giving it too much credit for being a coherent idea?

As I said Option A has got a lot going for it in terms of a coherent definition, observable characteristics, explanatory power....

It's a bit like Illicit Financial Flows definition Paddy The question is does option B put together two sets of people "some women" + "some not women" and call the new category "women" (why? for what end?)...

... Or does it put these two categories of people together because they both share a common characteristic "women" which all women (whether bio male or bio female) have, but eg non binary females don't have (is there any proof of this thing? How do I know I've got it?)

If we're using a definition you're a woman if you really feel like a woman, whatever that means to you, does the question "how do I know if I've got it?" make sense? You tell me, do you feel like a woman? I guess: yes.

I can't pretend to understand what it's like to be born in a male body and really feel like that's the wrong gender but I believe it's a real thing that should be respected not shat on on grounds of your preferences regarding analytical categories.

Empathy is good. Also for women in prison who have been victim of sexual assault whose PTSD is set off if male prisoners housed w them. For female students who lose out on athletic scholarship because male bodies run faster...

... For muslim woman who can't use women only swim if ppl w male bodies also there. For young lesbians being told their sexual orientation is bigoted & to get over not wanting male partners. I agree gender dysphoria is real, but so are impacts on women if gender id overrides sex