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    1. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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      Here I took a look at the countries that overlap between the two reports. By the Green's calculation Lux, France, Austria, Finland, Belgium, Nl, Portugal Germany have much lower ETRs than by OECD. Ireland and Italy are higherpic.twitter.com/WpVqHqrKfS

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    2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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      NB: they are using different methodologies (both valid). The Greens is backward looking. They look at corp accounts in Orbis and divide the tax paid by profit (Data is 2011-2015). OECD is forward looking using @devereux_mike methodology which models depreciation & allowances

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    3. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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      The OECD methodology takes account of depreciation of intangible property, such as acquired patents or trademarks, but not expenditure-based R&D tax incentives & IP regimes. Jansky refers to 'tax holidays' as the reason for the difference (he may be meaning the same thing?)

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    4. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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      The difference is greatest in the case of Luxembourg where Jansky calculates historical ETR of 2% and OECD calculate forward looking ETR of 24.5% (#taxtwitter what do you think is going on here?)

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    5. Rasmus Corlin Christensen‏ @phdskat Jan 22
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      Effect of int'l groups and profit shifting? D-G method inevitably restrained to the national level and the formal domestic rules, whereas Orbis' cross-country group view emphasises the actual cross-country skews in allocation of profit. For LUX, that makes sense?

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    6. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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      But this is not so much looking at skews in allocation of profit allocation but the ETR given the profit reported in each country -- i.e. what is the tax reconciliation between 2% and the statutory tax rate of 29% in Luxembourg etc... ?

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    7. Rasmus Corlin Christensen‏ @phdskat Jan 22
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      That's exactly looking at profit allocation skew? Numerator of the Lux ETR - profit - is *much* larger in the Greens study due to MNCs actually allocating a lot of profit to Lux. With D-G, numerator is imputed as essentially 'normal returns' to a standardised investment.

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    8. Rasmus Corlin Christensen‏ @phdskat Jan 22
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      Sorry, denominator? .. my English.. I think you know what I'm trying to say :)

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    9. Dan Neidle‏ @DanNeidle Jan 22
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      I believe they're looking at very different things and so can't be compared. And both figures look very different to the "actual" whole economy effective tax rate you see if you divide CT revenues by corporate sector profits.

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    10. Rasmus Corlin Christensen‏ @phdskat Jan 22
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      They're looking at the same concept (ETR) through very different lenses, so I think we should compare them, to get a view of the usefulness/pros/cons of each approach

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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      Common problem for the 'misalignment = profit shifting' approach (not in the Jansky report but e.g. https://unctad.org/en/PublicationChapters/diae2018d4a5.pdf …) and the OECD EATR, and the PWC/WB 'Paying Taxes' numbers is that they all assume that companies are manufacturing flowerpots (or whatever) everywhere....pic.twitter.com/AtxRVyDZsD

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        2. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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          Replying to @MForstater @phdskat @DanNeidle

          The numbers in Lux will always look 'off' because no one going their to set up their flowerpot factory, but to run their treasury. So the problem with e.g. Oxfam's "Opening the Vaults" report is a mirror of the problem with OECD's EATR calculations...? 🤔

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        3. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater Jan 22
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          Their....? There..... I don't even have the excuse of being Danish!

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        1. Rasmus Corlin Christensen‏ @phdskat Jan 22
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          Yeah of course the important follow-up question to Orbis-type inquiries on ETR is of course the source of that profit allocation - IP? value chain? profit shifting? etc. You've written much on that. But I guess that's a whole different discussion from what the ETR is measuring

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