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    1. Dan Neidle‏ @DanNeidle 28 Oct 2018
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      The point is simple: if I’m a US company making $100 profit by selling to a UK customer, then your report assumes I should pay tax on the $100 in the UK. But that’s wrong.

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    2. Heather Self‏ @hselftax 28 Oct 2018
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      The report raises the valid question of whether reported U.K. profits are too low. It does so by using a simplified form of formulary apportionment, based on sales. As @DanNeidle says, that’s not how the system works at present. 1/n

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    3. Heather Self‏ @hselftax 28 Oct 2018
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      It’s absolutely valid to use a benchmark such as average profit margins compared to sales to raise questions. But remember that HMRC already has this data, and more, and can (and does) ask those questions already. 2/n

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    4. Heather Self‏ @hselftax 28 Oct 2018
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      So IMO there are 3 possibilities: 1. HMRC are not doing their job properly, & are collecting less than they should. Possible, but unlikely to be anywhere near £1bn pa IMO. 3/n

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    5. Heather Self‏ @hselftax 28 Oct 2018
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      2. The estimate of tax “dodged” is overstated and the true figure is less than £1bn. Quite likely, in my view. International TP is complex & big companies generally put a lot of effort into complying with existing rules. 4/n

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    6. Heather Self‏ @hselftax 28 Oct 2018
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      3. The international rules don’t work well, and need updating. Absolutely, but it won’t be easy. Eg see my recent article in @tax_journal https://www.taxjournal.com/articles/self-s-assessment-what-s-wrong-digital-user-tax-24102018 … 5/n

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    7. Heather Self‏ @hselftax 28 Oct 2018
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      So where does that leave us? Yes, tech MNCs probably exploit current rules, and HMRC could collect some more tax. But IMO not as much as £1bn pa. 6/n

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    8. Heather Self‏ @hselftax 28 Oct 2018
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      Finally, the report keeps referring to £5bn. But that’s over 5 years; the annual figure is £1bn or about 0.14% of total U.K. tax revenues (and about 2% of CT). That’s not to say we should ignore MNCs and CT - but I think more focus on other areas would be more productive. 7/7

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    9. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 28 Oct 2018
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      Various threads on the go. Clear that we still have no common currency on methodologies, or even analyses of the nature of problems. And that it seems relatively easy to generate numbers that look big but which have no wider agreement. @delaFeriaR @MForstater @profchristians

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    10. taxwatch‏ @taxwatch 28 Oct 2018
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      In an absence of hard data, estimates are the best we can do. We contacted @facebook a couple of months ago to ask what their UK revenues were - not even the courtesy of a reply. As we say, in the absence of more data using av profit margins gives a reasonable estimate

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 28 Oct 2018
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      Replying to @taxwatch @iaincampbell07 and

      The problem is not with the estimating it is with the assumption that profit should be taxed where sales are made. That's not how the tax system works now. Can campaign to change it. But it's not "avoidance".

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        2. taxwatch‏ @taxwatch 28 Oct 2018
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          Yep - we know. But as we say in the report, we feel that the methodology we use, gives a more accurate picture of real profits than that presented in the annual reports of domestic subsidiaries.

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        3. Dan Neidle‏ @DanNeidle 28 Oct 2018
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          If you know it’s not avoidance, then why does your report use the term “avoidance” repeatedly?

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        1. taxwatch‏ @taxwatch 28 Oct 2018
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          The tax system doenst work by apportioning 60% of your global pre-tax profit to a subsidiary in Ireland either. Not unless you have huge amounts of activity there.

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