Maya Forstater on Twitter: "And the underlying point is that girls should be allowed to say I don't want to sleep in a tent with males. They shouldn't have some authorities calling them names or saying "oh its ok these males are not like that, they're the nice ones". That's not how consent works!… https://t.co/cT8aV8MIub"

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Arthur Baker‏ @AW_Baker 2 Oct 2018

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I honestly am very concerned about anything we can do to prevent abuse & assault of women and girls. I just don’t see how saying trans women are not women does that. If a woman feels threatened by a trans person, they don’t need to get in a car with them.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 2 Oct 2018

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I've just been told by a scout leader that if a 15 year old girl does not want to share a tent with a 17 year old boy with gender dysphoria who identifies as a girl then she is being transphobic. "A transgirl is a girl". Girls are being taught to put up and shut up (again)

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Arthur Baker‏ @AW_Baker 2 Oct 2018

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Good example! I wouldn’t force a child to share a tent with someone they don’t want to. If someone doesn’t feel safe or comfortable they should know they will be listened to. But I don’t see why you have to call this person a boy to achieve that.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 2 Oct 2018

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Because that is why the girl does not want to share a tent w him. He may be perfectly nice in everyway. Not threatening. But I think she has that right. It does not have to be handled in a way that humiliates anyone. eg could ask kids/parents to choose mixed or single sex tent.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 2 Oct 2018

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But when i suggested this (unoffical scouting FB page) i was told it was transphobic "transwomen are women".... If any girls or parents are concerned they "are transphobic and should leave scouting"!

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 2 Oct 2018

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(just to clarify... this is a hypothetical example, not a real case that i am dealing with)

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Rachael Meager‏ @economeager 2 Oct 2018

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there is no need to invoke gender here. it is no better to be made uncomfortable by being forced by messed up notions of social politeness to share a tent with a creepy woman than a creepy man.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 2 Oct 2018

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No children are forced to share a tent with adults (that is absolutely not allowed). This is about whether girls can object to sharing a tent with a boy in their age group.

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Rachael Meager‏ @economeager 2 Oct 2018

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transgirls are girls and not boys. they do not assault other girls at anywhere near the same rate that boys do.

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 2 Oct 2018

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So you keep saying. but i haven't seen any evidence of this. Study in Sweden found that crime rate of transwomen matched male not female pattern (and this was ppl undergoing surgery etc.. not self ID)https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 …

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Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 2 Oct 2018

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And the underlying point is that girls should be allowed to say I don't want to sleep in a tent with males. They shouldn't have some authorities calling them names or saying "oh its ok these males are not like that, they're the nice ones". That's not how consent works!

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  this is not about consent, this is about discrimination. consent means that a girl should be allowed to refuse to share a tent with ANY PERSON regardless of their demography. there is no point in forcing girls to share tents with cisgirls either.
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