Maya Forstater

trans women are particularly vulnerable women, and since the push to include women on panels is about supporting the voices of women as a group, and trans women's voices actually need particular support, we should be specifically championing their inclusion.

Hi Rachael - obviously there are much broader societal questions in play than the #manels scenario (I asked it as a practical example to see what people think is definition of women, & whether commitments made specifically to women as a group include men who identify as trans)..

.. I think you are conflating two different things 1)transwomen are vulnerable people & therefore should be protected, championed etc.. Yes I agree. 2)Transwomen are women. No this is not true. Its not GCSE biology. People w male bodies who say they are women do not become women

interesting, what is your definition of a "male body"? again, if you suddenly found out you had a lot of Y chromosomes in your body, would you suddenly have a "male body"?

It seems unlikely after giving birth twice. But I could be one of those women with a rare intersex condition where the SRY region of the Y chromosome isn't working as normal. But yes I'd still be female.

right, so now we know your gender identity isn't defined by your chromosomes. now imagine you were in a horrible accident that destroyed all your "gendered" body parts. Still identify as a woman?

I dont identify as a woman.

sure, let's consider ME then, who does. Would it make sense to you that in that case, I might still identify as a woman?