Maya Forstater

Do you see that this excludes women who do not necessarily have the reproductive parts that “females” are thought to be born with? Why exclude? What are the gains there? Exclusion perpetuates the problems were trying solve, no?

No it doesn't. Girls (most often XX but there are rare chromosome variations) who are born with female anatomy but eg incomplete vaginas, no uterus etc are female. Boys/ men who express traditionally feminine gender roles or have plastic surgery do not literally become women.

What makes this group female? It seems like a 'logical construct': picking together assorted things (reproductive capacity, aesthetic, chromosomes), chucking these chosen items in a shopping trolley, calling it 'female'. Moreover, why does that constructed identity matter?

Nope.Nothing aesthetic about it. Sex chromosomes & reproductive capacity are not randomly 'assorted things' plucked into a trolley. Everybody's mother was female. Everybody's father was male. Every person is one of these two types even if they don't go on to be mothers or fathers

Why does it matter? Because women are discriminated against because of their sex. So we need to be able to name that. Because women need reproductive rights. So we need to be able to name that. Because words spell boundaries for privacy & body autonomy. Because risk assessment.

Among other aspects, one of the most baffling things in this thread has been to see you pitting women's rights and trans rights as mutually exclusive. Even worse, you seem to partly blame those who advocate for trans rights for slow/lack of progress against misogyny.

I think that human rights, welfare & protection of both women and men, including people w gender dysphoria, transsexuals, all non gender conforming people can be achieved together. But this can't mean saying "women" as a sex don't exist or have no right to spaces away from males

Take a look at the ppl who are concerned about this: lesbians, feminists, left wing campaigners, long time LGBT rights activists & ask yourself if they've really become overnight bigots, or if gender theory has driven a wedge between natural allies https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/janeclarejones.com/2018/09/09/gay-rights-and-trans-rights-a-compare-and-contrast/amp/ …