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Business and sustainable development. Accountability. Tax. Feminist test case. Media: Tom Gardner at Slater & Gordon 0207 657 1690 press@slatergordon.co.uk

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    1. Sarah Orton-Vipond‏ @SarahEOV 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @_alice_evans @MForstater @aidthoughts

      Maya, are you saying that trans women are not women? I’m a bit confused...

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    2. Alice Evans‏ @_alice_evans 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @SarahEOV @MForstater @aidthoughts

      I wouldn't want to speak for Maya, but I sense her concern is that if trans-women can self-identify as women they may take opportunities reserved for biological women (eg. political reservations, panel spots).

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    3. Alice Evans‏ @_alice_evans 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @_alice_evans @SarahEOV and

      Personally, I doubt a man would do this deceitfully, in order to gain access to such opportunities. I also doubt trans woman taking such opportunities is a threat to women's voice/ access (because trans people are a tiny tiny minority).

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    4. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @_alice_evans @SarahEOV @aidthoughts

      I don't think there is any way to tell if someone's feelings of being a woman are 'deceitful' or not. I don't know what it 'feels like to be a woman' - are my feeling womanly enough? Who is to know? I think it is regressive to define womanhood by dress code, behaviour or feelings

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    5. Alice Evans‏ @_alice_evans 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @SarahEOV @aidthoughts

      I meant deceitful as in masquerading as female primarily in order to access spaces reserved for women (such as a male rapist identifying as female, to access a female prison and cause harm).

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    6. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @_alice_evans @SarahEOV @aidthoughts

      Bunce does not 'masquerade as female' he is a man who likes to express himself part of the week by wearing a dress. I have no problem with men wearing dresses, but we don't need to confuse acting in a stereotypically feminine manner with being a woman! https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/mistranslated-i-split-my-time-as-pippa-and-philip-20171002 …pic.twitter.com/TMy8SMshct

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    7. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @_alice_evans and

      As he said "it's synonymous to how a lady may choose to wear a dress, heels and makeup one day yet trousers, flats and no makeup another" I am flummoxed that people think that wearing a dress, heels and makeup is what qualifies someone as woman!

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    8. Lee Crawfurd‏ @leecrawfurd 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @_alice_evans and

      This is a strange case. When women wear flats, trousers, and no makeup, they don't become men.

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    9. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @leecrawfurd @_alice_evans and

      No indeed. And when men wear make-up, heels, dresses they don't become women. But the norm seems to be that we should pretend they do to avoid hurt feelings.

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    10. Paddy Carter‏ @CarterPaddy 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @leecrawfurd and

      as you will have seen, I don't think that's such a bad norm. So long as there's no real harm.

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 25 Sep 2018
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      Replying to @CarterPaddy @leecrawfurd and

      Manels is small thing, but interesting case i think. The real harm is the loss of the benefit to the woman who would have been on the panel if the man had followed through on the pledge, surely? (and the more general reinforcement of the norm of having women speak in public)

      8:46 AM - 25 Sep 2018
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        1. Paddy Carter‏ @CarterPaddy 25 Sep 2018
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          Replying to @MForstater @leecrawfurd and

          yep. personally, if I thought it was really going to hurt someone, that's not enough. (some people might also care about reinforcing the norm that trans women should (by and large) but treated as women)

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