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Business and sustainable development. Accountability. Tax. Feminist test case. Media: Tom Gardner at Slater & Gordon 0207 657 1690 press@slatergordon.co.uk

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    1. Big Tent Ideas Festival‏ @BigTentIdeas 26 Aug 2018
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      See the National Crime Agency official estimates.

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    2. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 26 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @BigTentIdeas @MForstater and

      Thanks. It says £24bn. http://www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/crime-threats/money-launderin …pic.twitter.com/qvEMaoyNou

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    3. Patrick S Fitzgerald‏ @p_sfitz 26 Aug 2018
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      This is not easy to follow. Once you exclude funds and fortune 500 companies, there are not that many banks with not that many personal and private company accounts that ever pass 9 figures. Many of these would be PEP.

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    4. Patrick S Fitzgerald‏ @p_sfitz 26 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @p_sfitz @iaincampbell07 and

      Unless the money laundering is bypassing banks it would seem to me unlikely, even allowing for large banks being a bit crap at compliance, for hundreds of billions a year to be laundered through British banks.

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    5. Patrick S Fitzgerald‏ @p_sfitz 26 Aug 2018
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      For perspective, these are the three biggest recent AML cases I can think of this second: HSBC US/Mexico: https://www.google.fr/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2012/dec/11/hsbc-bank-us-money-laundering …; Deutsche UK/Moscow: https://money.cnn.com/2017/01/31/investing/deutsche-bank-us-fine-russia-money-laundering/index.html … and 1MBD/BSI: https://www.google.fr/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN19X0MC … Adds up to about 12billion over a few years all around the world.

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    6. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 26 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @p_sfitz @BigTentIdeas and

      You've got me thinking I'll now need to go back and reread what the NCA said and how they calculate their figures!

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    7. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 26 Aug 2018
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      Its all guesswork I think. In 1996 NCA say 36 - 90 billion UKP , based on applying an 'IMF' guesstimate that money laundering transactions may equal 2-5% of GDP.pic.twitter.com/8n9eQqWTY7

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    8. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 26 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @iaincampbell07 and

      This figure comes from a speech that Michel Camdessus made in 1998 https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2015/09/28/04/53/sp021098 … and no one has been able to find the workings for that number.

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    9. iain campbell‏ @iaincampbell07 26 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @p_sfitz and

      Thanks for the provenance. Its nearly midnight, so maybe not thinking clearly, but I'm beginning to worry that behind a lot of the popular "big numbers" someone, somewhere, sometime, arrived at a number for a specific purpose. But once made they took on a life of their own. 🤔

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    10. Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 26 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @iaincampbell07 @p_sfitz and

      Yup.https://globalanticorruptionblog.com/2016/01/05/its-time-to-abandon-the-2-6-trillion5-of-global-gdp-corruption-cost-estimate/ …

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      Maya Forstater‏ @MForstater 26 Aug 2018
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      Replying to @MForstater @iaincampbell07 and

      The '2-5%' estimates are based on the assumption that the drugs trade is highly profitable, & a high proportion of profits are laundered... But much of the overall profit is distributed amongst the low-volume retail players, though fortunes made & laundered at the high levelpic.twitter.com/vTRaCMVzAr

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        1. Patrick S Fitzgerald‏ @p_sfitz 26 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @MForstater @iaincampbell07 and

          Thanks @MForstater great digging as usual! I think the industrial scale laundering is government extracted money in non -OECD countries, plus perhaps drug money.

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        2. Patrick S Fitzgerald‏ @p_sfitz 27 Aug 2018
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          Replying to @p_sfitz @MForstater and

          I have definitely underestimated drug related laundering according to this list: https://www.int-comp.com/ict-views/posts/2016/07/22/top-5-money-laundering-cases-of-the-last-30-years/ … If I get time next week I might check some do these out, the Wachovia and SCB numbers in particular are very big but hard to reconcile with their relatively ordinary fines.

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